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+**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jun 14 02:27:04 2002
+
+-->	adiamas (~adiamas@216.194.26.146) has joined #rockbox
+---	Topic for #rockbox is Version 1.0 released! http://bjorn.haxx.se/rockbox/
+---	Topic for #rockbox set by ChanServ at Tue Jun 11 03:31:20
+<Bagder>	hey adiamas
+<adiamas>	hey ya...
+<adiamas>	now that i have my UPS set up...
+<adiamas>	im finally going to get around to get a cross compiler going :)
+<Bagder>	go go go ;-)
+---	You are now known as adi|home
+<Bagder>	following Linus' instruction, it is really simple
+<adi|home>	*nmods*
+<adi|home>	only prob is im running gcc 2.95 right now :)
+<Bagder>	that shouldn't matter
+<Bagder>	if you have the source for that one already, you can probably make a cross compiler out of that version
+<adi|home>	that reminds me...
+<adi|home>	the simulator was coring on me yesterday
+<adi|home>	when i shuffled the playlist
+<adi|home>	i tracked it.. but it made no sense
+<Bagder>	oh
+<Bagder>	can you repeat it now?
+<adi|home>	dunno.. was going to test in a few
+<Bagder>	ok
+<Bagder>	it cored yesterday when we messed around with an empty dir
+<adi|home>	how do i force fstab to be reread?
+<adi|home>	on linux?
+<adi|home>	do you know?
+<Bagder>	reread?
+<Bagder>	mount -a?
+<Bagder>	no, that only mounts all
+<adi|home>	my prob is this..
+<adi|home>	i have my archos mount with the same permissions that my floppy does
+<adi|home>	at least thats what the fstab tells me
+<adi|home>	i can mount the floppy as a user, but not the archos
+<dwihno>	you have the nouser flag?
+<adi|home>	nope
+<adi|home>	/dev/sda1               /mnt/archos             vfat    noauto,owner	0 0
+<Bagder>	ok, so you changed that but the user still can do it?
+<adi|home>	no...
+<adi|home>	as a user i can mount my floppy, but as a user i cannot mount my archos
+<adi|home>	and my floppy entry is the same
+<adi|home>	/dev/fd0                /mnt/floppy             auto    noauto,owner    0 0
+<Bagder>	I just use umask=0 and am happy with that ;-)
+<adi|home>	heheh
+<Bagder>	/dev/sda1               /mnt/archos             vfat    noauto,umask=0  0 0
+<adi|home>	ill try it :)
+<Bagder>	that still requires root to mount
+<Bagder>	but any user can write to it
+<adi|home>	see.. don't want that :)
+<adi|home>	i want user to be able to mount it :)
+<Bagder>	beats me really
+<adi|home>	hehe no worries
+<adi|home>	yup.. still happens .. the coring..
+<adi|home>	can you check on your version and ensure im not nuts?
+<Bagder>	sure
+<dwihno>	you're full of the nuts? :)
+<adi|home>	okay... load the uizim
+<adi|home>	the sim
+<adi|home>	then load a playlist
+<adi|home>	then go to shuffle the list and shuffle
+<adi|home>	and it should core after it finishes
+<Bagder>	ok... fixing my darned X-redirect...
+*	adi|home screams
+<adi|home>	my rockbox on the archos reboots.. even with the dc plugged in
+<adi|home>	wtf
+<Bagder>	ugh
+<adi|home>	ugh what?
+<adi|home>	the logo looks sharp though :)
+<Bagder>	ugh as in "oh that is not nice"
+<Bagder>	hehe
+<adi|home>	hehe and my icons look sweet :)
+<Bagder>	they do
+<adi|home>	hehehe screen saver on the rockbox... 
+<adi|home>	sooooooo cool :)
+<Bagder>	:-)
+<adi|home>	god i love this
+<dwihno>	are there icons now?
+*	adi|home nods
+<Bagder>	it doesn't crash for me
+<adi|home>	there always were.. we just wernet using them
+<adi|home>	hmmm wtf...
+<adi|home>	i did a make clean
+<adi|home>	and a cvs update
+<dwihno>	adi|home: Show me a screenshot! :D
+<adi|home>	of the icons?
+<adi|home>	sure.. give me a min
+<Bagder>	adi|home: can you show me a stack trace?
+<dwihno>	yay! :D
+<adi|home>	sure.. give me a min
+<adi|home>	doing an update and recompile just in case
+<adi|home>	dwihno.. you have dcc on?
+<dwihno>	Yuppers
+---	Offering sshot.jpg to dwihno
+<adi|home>	okay.. bagder.. how do i get you a stack trace?
+<adi|home>	strace?
+<adi|home>	right?
+<Bagder>	run 'gdb rockboxui core'
+<Bagder>	then 'where'
+<Bagder>	(or 'bt' if you prefer a shortcut ;-)
+<adi|home>	no stack
+<dwihno>	adi|home: How cute! :D
+<adi|home>	heh wait.. im stupid
+<dwihno>	the cursor should be replaced
+<Bagder>	dwihno: yes indeed
+<adi|home>	okay.. then what bagder?
+<adi|home>	i know where is choking on mine.. i just don't know why.
+<dwihno>	I'll draw one rightaway ;D
+<Bagder>	mail it to me, daniel@haxx.se
+<Bagder>	please do
+<dwihno>	How big is the font btw?
+<adi|home>	want me to just dcc it to you?
+<Bagder>	adi|home: I'm tunneled, bounced, crawled and sneaked so much dcc is impossible ;-)
+<adi|home>	hehhe okay
+<dwihno>	5x7?
+<Bagder>	yes
+<adi|home>	sent
+<adi|home>	something else i was thinking...
+<adi|home>	we can 'shuffle' and empty list
+<Bagder>	got it
+<adi|home>	we should be checking that
+<adi|home>	namely.. if you havne't loaded a list, tell the user that
+<Bagder>	yes
+<Bagder>	I told Zagor so too
+<dwihno>	.....
+<dwihno>	##...
+<dwihno>	###..
+<dwihno>	####.
+<dwihno>	###..
+<dwihno>	##...
+<dwihno>	.....
+<dwihno>	There, a new cursor ;)
+<Bagder>	adi|home: there's no stack trace there!
+<Bagder>	dwihno: now convert it to bytes, LSB in the top, each column one byte
+<Bagder>	and use the 5 bytes width
+<Bagder>	5 pixels
+<dwihno>	LSB?
+<Bagder>	least significant bit
+<Bagder>	bit 0
+<dwihno>	Line 1: 0, line 2: 3 ?
+<Bagder>	no
+<Bagder>	column-wise
+<dwihno>	mkay
+<Bagder>	column 0; 0x7e
+<Bagder>	adi|home: this dump just shows lots of loaded symbols and the actual crash point, no stack trace
+<Bagder>	try running it with gdb from the start:
+<Bagder>	'gdb rockboxui'
+<Bagder>	'run'
+<Bagder>	[booom]
+<Bagder>	'bt'
+<adi|home>	k
+<adi|home>	what is bt?
+<Bagder>	back trace
+<adi|home>	k.. all it returns is: 
+<adi|home>	#0  0x0804e10f in menu_run (m=Cannot access memory at address 0x3d099dcc
+<adi|home>	) at ../../apps/menu.c:169
+<adi|home>	Cannot access memory at address 0x3d099dc4
+<adi|home>	and i could have told you that
+<Bagder>	hm
+<adi|home>	i found out that much last night.. exactly where it is dieing.. but now why
+<adi|home>	its the menu_redraw
+<adi|home>	in main_menu.c
+<adi|home>	when you return from the function ptr
+<dwihno>	Bagder: 0x3e, 0x3e, 0x1c, 8, 0
+<Bagder>	dwihno: you should use the full 5x7
+<Bagder>	we have 6x8 
+<dwihno>	we have?
+<Bagder>	yes
+<dwihno>	mkay
+<dwihno>	me stupid
+<dwihno>	me back in a flash soon ;)
+<Bagder>	no ;-)
+<dwihno>	me need coffee
+<Bagder>	menu_redraw?
+<adi|home>	yup.. one sec ill get you a line
+*	Bagder runs to fill up more coffee
+<adi|home>	sorry.. menu_draw
+<adi|home>	menu.c:164
+<adi|home>	               lcd_clear_display();
+<adi|home>	            
+<adi|home>	                menus[m].items[menus[m].cursor].function();
+<adi|home>	            
+<adi|home>	                /* Return to previous display state */
+<adi|home>	                menu_draw(m);
+<adi|home>	                break;
+<adi|home>	the function call goes fine
+<adi|home>	"m" is valid before the call
+-->	Zagor (~bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) has joined #rockbox
+<adi|home>	all looks fine in he call
+<adi|home>	we return and _barf_
+<Zagor>	hi all
+<adi|home>	hey zagor
+<adi|home>	found a nice core that Bagder cant seem to repeat
+<Zagor>	ooh, shiny! :)
+*	adi|home nods
+<dwihno>	0x7e, 0x7e, 0x7e, 0x3c, 0x3c, 0x18
+<dwihno>	0x7e, 0x42, 0x42, 0x24, 0x24, 0x18 (for a "transparent" version) ;)
+<adi|home>	zagor.. 
+<dwihno>	what's the opposite of LSB term-wise?
+<adi|home>	know how the archos works better when you have dc plugged in?
+<Zagor>	dwihno: msb
+<dwihno>	mkay
+*	dwihno suck when it comes to buzzwording :)
+<adi|home>	nah. your just 'Livt'
+<dwihno>	Add my cursor code :)
+<Hadaka>	don't mix those with big-endian and little-endian like some people do :)
+<Bagder>	dwihno: in progress
+<adi|home>	at least your not a 'Liar'
+<dwihno>	Hadaka: what's the diff between big and little-endian? /me has always been on the intel platform...
+<Hadaka>	well intel is the stupid one :)
+<adi|home>	the size of the feather
+<dwihno>	adi|home: haw haw haw
+<dwihno>	Hadaka: so what is the difference?
+<adi|home>	smiles broadley
+<dwihno>	word order?
+<dwihno>	Tell me
+<Hadaka>	byte order in words
+<Hadaka>	little endian is
+<Hadaka>	A B C D
+<Hadaka>	big endian is B A D C
+<Hadaka>	if I'm not tripping, it's too early in the morning
+<Hadaka>	(that's bytes)
+<Zagor>	you are tripping :)
+<dwihno>	C D A B ?
+<adi|home>	heheh
+<adi|home>	but he's right isn't he?
+*	adi|home remebers it that way
+<Zagor>	no, big-endian is straight big-to-small. little-endian is twisted
+*	adi|home taps Hadaka on the shoulder and askes if he is a he, just in case
+<Hadaka>	err, big-endian is small-to-big
+<Hadaka>	yup, sorry guys, I'm male
+<adi|home>	so big should be: D C B A
+<Hadaka>	or
+<Hadaka>	if you are guys }:>
+<adi|home>	and little is: C D A B
+<adi|home>	?
+<Hadaka>	adi|home: nope
+<Hadaka>	I hope that is
+<Zagor>	the lowest byte of a big-endian word is the highest value
+<Zagor>	0xCAFEF00D is 0xCA 0xFE 0xF0 0x0D
+<dwihno>	Bagder: Is the cursor cute?
+<Bagder>	not quite there yet
+<dwihno>	oh..
+<adi|home>	little: 0x0D 0xF0 0xFE 0xCA?
+<Hadaka>	hmh, lowest? do you mean 0xCA with that or 0x0D?
+<Zagor>	i meant lowest address
+<Zagor>	0xCA
+<Hadaka>	hm, yeah
+<Hadaka>	oh yeah
+*	adi|home is confused again
+<dwihno>	Little endian is gay, in that case
+*	adi|home needs to go back and read
+<adi|home>	given CAFEFOOD
+<adi|home>	what is little?
+<Hadaka>	big-endian assumption being that the highest address should be highest value - which is wrong
+<Hadaka>	s/big/my big/;
+<Zagor>	Hadaka: ah
+<Hadaka>	jesus one should never run into these things
+<dwihno>	Hmm
+<dwihno>	For someone who knows nothing on this endian stuff, who should I listen to so I won't learn the wrong stuff? :)
+<Bagder>	haha
+<Zagor>	hehe
+<adi|home>	lotsa pot smokers in belguim must be happy :)
+<adi|home>	hehe Zagor
+<adi|home>	he's been right so far in everything else :)
+<dwihno>	heh
+<Zagor>	:)
+<dwihno>	Zagor: Give me a skolboksexample, s'il vous plait :)
+<Hadaka>	http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/b/big_endian.html
+<Zagor>	little endian cafefood is just the opposite: 0x0D 0xF0 0xFE 0xCA
+<Hadaka>	haha
+<Hadaka>	UNIX -> NUXI - 'U' 'N' 'I' 'X' is big endian, 'N' 'U' 'X' 'I' is little endian :)
+<dwihno>	So when will one be affected by endianness? And don't tell me some apache joke now adi ;)
+<Bagder>	dwihno: reading binary data as 'shorts' or 'longs' etc
+<Zagor>	Hadaka: yes but only when talking about two 16-bit words. if it was 32-bit, it'd be XINU
+<Bagder>	dwihno: like when reading a BMP file from disk ;-)
+<dwihno>	Hehe...
+<dwihno>	I bet 'my' BMP reader will freak out with little endian
+<dwihno>	big endian on the archos?
+<dwihno>	oops
+<dwihno>	well, you know what I mean ;)
+<Zagor>	yes, except some hardware (like the ata controller) is little endian
+<dwihno>	eww
+<dwihno>	endian soup
+<Zagor>	and the mp3 chip is little-endian bit-wise, so we have to flip every single friggin byte before we send it...
+<dwihno>	They should have chosen a big-endian mp3 decoding chip
+<Zagor>	yeah, well there's a list of "they should've"s :)
+<adi|home>	starting with 'they should've made the price cheaper'
+<dwihno>	They should have made the screen 400x200 pixels :)
+<dwihno>	What is the most power consuming part (apart from the hard disk stuff) ?
+<Zagor>	i don't know. cpu, i guess
+<adi|home>	okay.. just to double check...
+<adi|home>	ABCD in big indian
+<adi|home>	is 
+<adi|home>	CDAB in little?
+<Zagor>	if the data is two 16-bit words, yes
+<Zagor>	if it's one 32-bit word, it will be DCBA
+<adi|home>	k...
+<adi|home>	and if you have 2 32 bit words of ABCD ABCD?
+<adi|home>	or ABCD EFGH
+<Zagor>	DCBA HGFE
+<adi|home>	russian belguim game has gotten really good :)
+*	dwihno is amazed by the stupidity of some people
+<dwihno>	Encoding stuff @ 192kbps even when the quality is really bad
+<Bagder>	hehe, I found something...
+<Bagder>	#define MAX_MENUS 4
+<Bagder>	in apps/menu.c
+<adi|home>	hehehe okay?
+<adi|home>	thats why we core?
+<Bagder>	yeah
+<Zagor>	you made a new menu?
+<adi|home>	damn.. how did you find that?
+<adi|home>	hey.. they added shuffle playlist
+<Zagor>	as a new menu? not just an entry?
+<adi|home>	no.. its an entry..
+<adi|home>	so that shouldn't effect it
+<Bagder>	this is an entry count
+<Zagor>	MAX_MENUS is the max menu depth, not max entries
+*	adi|home nods
+<Bagder>	then it is used wrongly
+<Zagor>	ok
+<Bagder>	check main_menu.c 
+<Bagder>	and the menu_init() call
+<Zagor>	checking
+<Bagder>	no
+<Bagder>	sorry
+<Bagder>	my bad
+<Bagder>	no problem there
+<Zagor>	ok
+<adi|home>	zagor.. 
+<Zagor>	yup?
+<adi|home>	can you explain why 32 bit words become DCBA HGFE
+<adi|home>	seems more sensible that it would be EFGH ABCD
+<adi|home>	or GHEF CDAB
+<Zagor>	your data is 64 bits
+*	adi|home nods
+<dwihno>	aaaaaaaaarggghhh!
+<dwihno>	you make me go nuts! :)
+<Zagor>	so it's split up in two 32-bit words
+<adi|home>	right
+<Zagor>	the words don't change places or anything
+<Zagor>	the byte swapping is only done within the word
+<adi|home>	okay...
+<adi|home>	why doen'st the same idea follo for 16bit works?
+<adi|home>	words?
+<adi|home>	you said: ABCD becomes CDAB
+<adi|home>	if the swap is within words.. wouldnt: BADC make more sense?
+<Bagder>	"word" is a crappy term to use
+<Zagor>	i didn't say that, did I? it's wrong
+<Zagor>	32-bit ABCD becomes DCBA
+<Zagor>	16-bit ABCD becomes BADC
+<dwihno>	Bagder: the daily build is already built?
+<Bagder>	yes
+<Bagder>	6 am MET
+<dwihno>	darn
+<dwihno>	Then I'll wait until tomorrow ;)
+<dwihno>	We need a "select cursor" menu ;D
+<Bagder>	I'll just fix the cursor for the tree browser too and soon we'll see
+<adi|home>	can i assum then that on 64 bit words we would be: ABCDEFGH => HGFE DCBA?
+*	Bagder tries to figure out the best way to deal with the margins in the tree browser
+<Zagor>	adi|home: yes
+*	adi|home is finally getting this
+<adi|home>	thank you for the help...
+<Zagor>	Bagder: what is your problem with margins?
+<Zagor>	no problem
+<Zagor>	btw, adi, whatever happened to your logging effort?
+*	adi|home whistles innocently
+*	Bagder chuckles
+<adi|home>	my isp decided to get alot more unstable
+<adi|home>	we need a bot in here to just sit and suck everything up
+<Zagor>	i'd still say you're the guy with the most complete logs. you're always here
+*	adi|home blushes
+<adi|home>	i can put up what i haver right now
+<Zagor>	yeah, that is an option
+<Zagor>	please do
+<dwihno>	Hey, what happened to privacy?!
+<dwihno>	ECHELON SEES YOU! :D
+<adi|home>	that doesn't exist on the net ;)
+<Bagder>	 /whois privacy
+<Bagder>	oops ;-)
+<dwihno>	ECHELON BUSH TALIBAN USAMA BIN LADEN {{{{{ hugs to you }}}}}
+<adi|home>	my current rockbox log is 1.1 megs
+<dwihno>	There, my footprint in the internet world ;D
+<Zagor>	adi|home: will you split it up into days?
+<adi|home>	all i ahve to say is that PRESIDENT BUSH is the BOMB and bin laden needs to DIE
+<adi|home>	for you zag?
+<adi|home>	sure
+<adi|home>	but only cause its you
+<Zagor>	hehe
+*	adi|home winks suggestivly
+<Zagor>	nudge nudge
+<adi|home>	nudge nudge... wink wink.. kno what i mean.. know what i mean...
+<adi|home>	have you ever.. have ya hu? have you...
+<adi|home>	ya know...
+<Bagder>	there we go again ;-)
+<dwihno>	find / -name bin | awk '{print $1 " laden"}'
+*	adi|home yells out 'Help! Help! I'm being repressed!
+<adi|home>	Zagor.. should i remove room enters and leaving?
+*	Bagder thinks so
+<Zagor>	yes
+<dwihno>	and everything dwihno-related. I want my privacy ;D
+<Bagder>	dwihno: your privacy can be found here => #dwinos_secrets
+<Bagder>	set it invite-only ;-)
+<dwihno>	:D
+<dwihno>	Mr. Funny pants
+<dwihno>	http://www.klitta.nu/dw/keops_bigapple.png
+<dwihno>	Speaking of funny pants
+<Bagder>	someone could make some work on a vertical slider
+<Bagder>	if we should have one
+<dwihno>	hmm
+<dwihno>	It could share space with the cursor
+<dwihno>	I like the display like it is now - as many filenames as possible! :)
+*	Bagder commits new cursor
+<dwihno>	YAY! :D
+<dwihno>	Which did you chose?
+<Bagder>	0x7e, 0x7e, 0x7e, 0x3c, 0x3c, 0x18
+<Bagder>	but it looks a bit ugly ;-)
+<Bagder>	too thick
+<dwihno>	ugly cursor for ugly people
+<dwihno>	shift it left one step and make the new first column smaller than
+<dwihno>	then
+<Bagder>	I thought about that too
+<Bagder>	perhaps even two steps
+<dwihno>	do so
+<Bagder>	 0x7f, 0x3e, 0x1c, 0x08, 0x00, 0x00 wins
+<Bagder>	Zagor: does the scroll code care about the lcd margins on the recorder?
+<Zagor>	yes
+<dwihno>	Bagder: yay!
+<dwihno>	does the scroll look fishy on the players?
+<Zagor>	no that I know
+<Zagor>	not
+<Bagder>	the new cursor only uses 4 pixels width
+<adi|home>	zagor.. your gonna love me in a min :)
+<dwihno>	I'll start working on a variable width font this weekend
+*	Zagor feels his heart warming
+<Zagor>	dwihno: cool
+<Bagder>	dwihno: it would be really cool
+<dwihno>	How are you storing the fonts right now?
+<Zagor>	Bagder: have you kept my code that handles proportional fonts?
+<dwihno>	like the cursor?
+<Bagder>	Zagor: I think I have it somewhere, yes
+<dwihno>	I was thinking about an extra byte for w&h
+<Bagder>	dwihno: I adjusted it
+<Bagder>	I added a bug when scrolling in the tree browser though :-/
+<dwihno>	So what are the measurements we should keep?
+<dwihno>	Bagder: It's called a surprise feature, not bug :)
+<Zagor>	as small as possible :)
+<dwihno>	<reboot> SURPRISE! :D
+<dwihno>	How about umlauts and special chars?
+<Zagor>	yes please
+<Zagor>	a full iso 8859-1 is ideal
+<Bagder>	heck, this bugs more than just in the scroll
+<dwihno>	I'll work against the charmap in the recorder...
+<Bagder>	more coffee needed
+*	dwihno is not looking forward to the 1 o'clock meeting
+<dwihno>	meetings are time thieves
+<Zagor>	dwihno: either that, or look here: http://czyborra.com/charsets/iso8859-1.gif
+<adi|home>	okay.. irc files updated
+<adi|home>	but you ge to fix the html ;)
+<adi|home>	im going to bed
+<Zagor>	ok, bye
+<Bagder>	night adi
+<Bagder>	now you can try the new cursor
+<Bagder>	hm
+<Bagder>	brb
+<--	Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) has left #rockbox
+-->	Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) has joined #rockbox
+<Bagder>	http://storebror.haxx.se/archos/
+<Bagder>	brand new
+<dwihno>	I'll test it rightaway
+<adi|home>	ummm.. don't mean to be an ass ;)
+<adi|home>	but the cursor you just put in..
+<adi|home>	is exactly like the Selector that was there and not being used :)
+<Bagder>	haha
+<dwihno>	adi|home: you're an ass :)
+*	Bagder is blind
+<adi|home>	don't blame me...
+<adi|home>	_you_ didnt read the code ;)(
+<dwihno>	Heh
+<dwihno>	So what? :)
+<dwihno>	I'm no coder
+<dwihno>	I just come with ideas
+<adi|home>	hehehe
+<adi|home>	im just bustig your balls.. 
+<Bagder>	but... but... eh, but my cursor is one more pixel to the left! ;-)
+<dwihno>	:D
+<adi|home>	besides.. yours looks sharper for some reason
+<adi|home>	hehehe
+<adi|home>	keep yours
+<adi|home>	delete Selector
+<dwihno>	YOUR cursor?! :/
+*	dwihno is offended
+<adi|home>	your.. meaning you ddi the new one didn you ?
+<Bagder>	haha
+*	adi|home runs to bed
+<dwihno>	erhm
+<Bagder>	dwihno: compare the values, they aren't really the ones you gave me ;-)
+<dwihno>	they are not! 
+<dwihno>	oh my god!
+<dwihno>	You evil dude
+<dwihno>	the lcd still flickers
+<Bagder>	I pulled up xmag and zoomed in
+<Bagder>	and this setup was the nicest I could do
+<adi|home>	no it don't.. you just blink funny
+<dwihno>	and the [browse] line should be removed since another line of files would fit ;D
+<Zagor>	actually I think that's a good idea. we want to use the screen fully
+<dwihno>	What is the dimensions of the screen?
+<adi|home>	well.. remember
+<adi|home>	your going to want battery indicators
+<adi|home>	and we havne't thought about time or anything
+<Zagor>	adi|home: agreed, but personally I prefer such information on a separate info screen
+<dwihno>	Me too
+<Zagor>	or during playback or something. not in the browser
+<dwihno>	browser is a browser
+<dwihno>	during playback, there is a lot of space for displaying such information
+<adi|home>	nod
+<Bagder>	brb
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+<Bagder>	my ssh X-redirect is *so* weird
+<Bagder>	it works the second login I do
+<Bagder>	not the first
+<dwihno>	<-- is pissed off
+<dwihno>	<-- wants to order his F!("#)¤/)! laptop!
+<dwihno>	Will there be L/R volume bars in the future?
+<Zagor>	you mean during playback?
+<dwihno>	yeah
+<Zagor>	no thanks...
+<dwihno>	I mean, it's not that pretty
+<dwihno>	and it looks rather silly when only updated a couple of times per secnod
+<Zagor>	yes
+<Zagor>	i don't like it either
+<dwihno>	A wider battery might be nice too
+<Zagor>	i say we skip the silly icon and use hard numbers instead
+<dwihno>	%?
+<Zagor>	yeah
+<dwihno>	Yeah, and a "time left" feature :D
+<dwihno>	(or, at least, some kind of estimation)
+<Zagor>	that's, ummm, difficult
+<Zagor>	even just % is very difficult
+<dwihno>	it is?
+<dwihno>	Does not the hardware supply the values?
+<dwihno>	Or do you have to pull off a sw trick to read it?
+<Zagor>	the hardware supplies battery voltage, that's all
+<dwihno>	hm
+<dwihno>	voltage, as in 1.2 volts?
+<Zagor>	yes
+<dwihno>	oh
+<dwihno>	Mail the archos guys and ask them :)
+<Zagor>	heh, yeah right :)
+<dwihno>	"Hello mr. archos guy. How do you perform the battery check? We think battery status would be neat in Rockbox"
+<Bagder>	would be cool to get an external meter on that thing and keep showing the voltage all the way until the unit dies
+<dwihno>	Get going! :D
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+<[TOT]Maverick>	hi
+<[TOT]Maverick>	Just tried out the new daily build for the recorder
+<[TOT]Maverick>	Dunno if you already know but the Euro-Symbol doesnt work it just displays a ?.
+<Zagor>	yeah, we lack a number of symbols in the font
+<[TOT]Maverick>	Hehe
+<[TOT]Maverick>	I used it for DJ DEEP the both EEs were Euros
+<dwihno>	Oh how neat
+<[TOT]Maverick>	:)
+<[TOT]Maverick>	Tetris is nice
+<Zagor>	hehe, yeah. a little diversion while you... eh... don't listen to music (yet) :)
+<[TOT]Maverick>	But I hate these buttons they arent like the ones of a gameboy or something
+<[TOT]Maverick>	who needs music on a mp3 player :)
+<[TOT]Maverick>	First i also thought about reporting the scrolling bug but you fixed it first :)
+<Zagor>	hehe
+<[TOT]Maverick>	Hehe developers are faster in fixing bugs than user in reporting em
+<[TOT]Maverick>	BTW Music in tetris would be nice
+<Zagor>	the music will keep playing during tetris. just fire up a big playlist and you'll be set
+<Zagor>	did you try loading a playlist, btw? i think you will be pleasantly surprised...
+<[TOT]Maverick>	No i never use playlist *beatme*
+<Zagor>	i know, the archos playlists aren't very useful. we're changing all that
+<[TOT]Maverick>	hehe
+<[TOT]Maverick>	You dont understand
+<[TOT]Maverick>	I NEVER use em :)
+<[TOT]Maverick>	Not in winamp, not on the box..
+<Zagor>	how are you using it? playing a record at a time, or having all songs in one dir?
+<[TOT]Maverick>	my songs are too long fo puttin them into a list
+<Zagor>	too long?
+<[TOT]Maverick>	i usually listen to mixes about 300mins long a track
+<Zagor>	ah, ok
+<[TOT]Maverick>	so there is no need for mee
+<Zagor>	so what you really want is mid-track resume
+<[TOT]Maverick>	but of course for normal songs its quite useful
+<[TOT]Maverick>	yeah THAT would be usefeul for ME :)
+<Zagor>	it's coming in a later version
+<[TOT]Maverick>	Shouldnt be too hard to realize, nor?
+<Zagor>	not really. the scary part is writing on the harddisk... :-)
+<[TOT]Maverick>	hmmm
+<[TOT]Maverick>	Perhaps you could use a hidden directory for saving data
+<[TOT]Maverick>	OR use the MBR!!!
+<Zagor>	exactly
+<datazone>	right..
+<[TOT]Maverick>	That would be an option
+<Zagor>	we'll use a sector before the FAT
+<[TOT]Maverick>	yeah so its hidden in windows
+<Zagor>	yup
+<[TOT]Maverick>	nice
+<Zagor>	and so we don't have to look for it in a directory, we always know where to save
+<[TOT]Maverick>	erm the UI gets more graphically as development moves on?
+<Zagor>	yes
+<[TOT]Maverick>	nice
+<[TOT]Maverick>	is a graphical indocator like the one in winamp possible when playing a song?
+<[TOT]Maverick>	The current one of the archos is just for left-right...
+<Zagor>	it's not easy, since we don't unpack the data ourselves
+<[TOT]Maverick>	ah
+<[TOT]Maverick>	that does the dsp
+<Zagor>	yes
+<[TOT]Maverick>	ok so no chance there
+<Zagor>	I wouldn't say no chance, but it's not straight-forward
+<[TOT]Maverick>	I noticed something when text is scrolling at a faster speed...
+<[TOT]Maverick>	Its like the effect on a TFT screen
+<[TOT]Maverick>	when something moves fast
+<Zagor>	yeah, trail
+<[TOT]Maverick>	But never seen that on a LCD before.
+<[TOT]Maverick>	is that normal?
+<Zagor>	yes. lcd screens are inherently slow
+<[TOT]Maverick>	gameboy didnt have that "feature" :)
+<Zagor>	maybe their screen was faster
+<[TOT]Maverick>	But its nice to set your own speed
+<[TOT]Maverick>	great work there
+<Zagor>	thanks
+<[TOT]Maverick>	Will you implement functions like renaming, moving an so on?
+<datazone>	why dont you look on the webpage
+<datazone>	it lists the wishlist of features
+<Zagor>	yes, probably. but it's a bit in the future
+<[TOT]Maverick>	@data: I look at the page every day just to mention.
+<datazone>	every day?  man, thats bad
+*	Bagder made the build go yellow... fixing...
+<Zagor>	booo! :)
+<[TOT]Maverick>	I like the site
+<[TOT]Maverick>	Every day something new :)
+<datazone>	or you have "issues"
+<Zagor>	ironi made the design, I make everything else :)
+<Zagor>	yeah I try to keep it interesting
+<[TOT]Maverick>	It IS
+<[TOT]Maverick>	But there is one thing i miss since ver 1.0
+<Zagor>	what is that?
+<[TOT]Maverick>	The Status of the single parts
+<Bagder>	we need a new table
+<Bagder>	with new parts
+<datazone>	i remember when i first saw the rockbox logo.. heh, i though it was a guy humping the "R"
+<Zagor>	well we don't really have that kind of progress anymore. most new features affect many parts
+<[TOT]Maverick>	hmmm
+<Bagder>	we could still list things we want, what we work on and what isn't worked on
+<Zagor>	Bagder: true
+<[TOT]Maverick>	yeah thats what i mean
+<[TOT]Maverick>	the user doesnt interest what is REALLY done wherever
+<[TOT]Maverick>	BTW² will it be possible in the future to make mods or plugins?
+<Zagor>	no, we'll always make whole apps
+<[TOT]Maverick>	ok
+<Zagor>	we do plan a boot selector, though
+<Bagder>	but we'll do different apps
+<[TOT]Maverick>	So you have to make a nice (and nice looking hehe) app :)
+<Bagder>	well, with the proper help and feedback, we'll end up there
+<[TOT]Maverick>	I am always there if you are in need of ideas
+*	Bagder enables picky warnings in the simulator builds now
+<[TOT]Maverick>	But as you already know i cant "really" help you because of my non existing c knowledge
+<Bagder>	we're talking YELLOW ;-)
+<[TOT]Maverick>	huh?
+<Zagor>	ideas are help too
+<Bagder>	on the build status page
+<[TOT]Maverick>	ah hehe
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+---	dwihno|metting is now known as dwihno|meeting
+<Bagder>	phew, only 2 warnings turned up ;-)
+<Bagder>	daily build page extra feature soon coming
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+<Bagder>	hey elinenbe
+<elinenbe>	hey
+<Bagder>	Zagor: boo!
+<Bagder>	Zagor: here?
+<Bagder>	ok, then I'll go for a cup a coffee ;-)
+<Zagor>	back
+<Bagder>	check the compile stat table
+<Bagder>	suggestion on the link?
+<Zagor>	a - instead of space
+<Zagor>	and link to a subdir that I can symlink to your dir
+<Bagder>	hm
+<Bagder>	ok
+<Bagder>	I prefer to use %20 and keep the same
+<Bagder>	space
+<Bagder>	it is the same time stamp
+<Zagor>	ok
+<Bagder>	name of your symlink?
+<Zagor>	cvslog ?
+<Zagor>	cvsmod maybe?
+<Bagder>	there
+<Bagder>	it should link to my output dir
+<Zagor>	where are your files?
+<Bagder>	/home/dast/rockbox-auto/output
+<Zagor>	ok
+<Zagor>	works
+<Bagder>	neato
+<Bagder>	the dump shows the last 25 minutes
+<Bagder>	it makes 5 minute overlap
+<Zagor>	hmm, is that what we want?
+<Bagder>	well, entirely without overlap tends to be with gap instead
+<Bagder>	this is just time-based
+<Zagor>	yes, but can't you look at the time and minimise the gap? it will get confusing when one change is in two status logs
+<Bagder>	I can minimize it, sure
+<Bagder>	but since I select based on time, I either risk overlap or gap, making it *perfect* is not really realistic
+<Bagder>	20 minutes and 30 seconds now
+<Bagder>	oh
+<Bagder>	.txt I guess
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+---	dwhino is now known as dwihno
+<Zagor>	yeah that's probably a good idea :)
+<Bagder>	btw, I believe the x11 simulator runs threads wrong
+<Zagor>	yeah?
+<Bagder>	yeah, they run simultaneously
+<Zagor>	ooh, bad
+<Bagder>	my mutex trick isn't used
+<Bagder>	I wanted to add the tick_counter in yield, and then I noticed that yield is never used!
+<Zagor>	hehe
+<dwihno>	hellö hellö
+<dwihno>	I say hellö
+<dwihno>	You say goodbye
+<dwihno>	I say hellö
+*	dwihno is a beatle today
+<Zagor>	beetle
+<dwihno>	Nope
+<dwihno>	beatle
+*	Zagor squishes dwihno :)
+<Bagder>	This is Windows for you...'found out that significant part of time is spent ... In this function "select" is used with a timeout value of 1 micro second'
+<Bagder>	1 us
+<Bagder>	turns out to be a "significant part" of time
+<dwihno>	Zagor: You are so nasty!
+<dwihno>	Nasty boy!
+<Bagder>	that must be one helluva implementation ;-)
+<Zagor>	Bagder: aren't they saying that since it times out so quickly it gets called very frequently?
+<Bagder>	no
+<Bagder>	this is a libcurl thing
+<Bagder>	I use it only once
+<Zagor>	ok
+<Bagder>	but it "significantly" slows windows operations down
+<Zagor>	haha
+<Bagder>	I can't but to laugh
+<dwihno>	curl? sounds gay ;)
+<Bagder>	doesn't most things to you? ;-)
+<Bagder>	curl groks ;-)
+<dwihno>	you are sitting WAY TOO MUCH in front of the computer screen :)
+<Bagder>	no, I'm not doing it enough!
+*	Zagor is starting go get mutt to behave
+<Zagor>	to
+<Bagder>	can mutt use different "roles" when replying etc?
+<Zagor>	haven't gotten that far yet :)
+<Zagor>	i think so, though. there's a lot of hooks everywhere you can use
+<dwihno>	Zagor: Hey, are you becoming a dwihno?! :)
+<dwihno>	mutt are belongs to us!
+<dwihno>	Mutt is evil software! :)
+<dwihno>	custom keybindings is a must rhough
+<Zagor>	yeah they are. i'm just checking out if it's better than pine.
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+<dwihno>	Well
+<dwihno>	It takes a while to get accustomed to it
+<dwihno>	(as everything else)
+<Zagor>	yes
+<dwihno>	ROROROROROOOCKBOOOOX!
+<dwihno>	Fa l ala
+*	dwihno has gotten 0xc0ffee into the veins
+<--	[TOT]Maverick has quit ()
+<dwihno>	Coffee is for the mind, what viagra is for the dick
+<--	elinenbe has quit ("ChatZilla 0.8.8 [Mozilla rv:1.1a/20020611]")
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+<Bagder>	heh, the scrolling looks worse when I "fix" the threading ;-)
+<Bagder>	in the simulator that is
+<dwihno>	Any ideas why it flickers on the recorder?
+<Bagder>	you mean when scrolling?
+<dwihno>	nay, when going across pages
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+<Bagder>	hi jedix
+<jedix>	hey
+<jedix>	what are you guys working on today?
+*	Bagder fixes threading in the simulator, cursor on recorder, cvs logs on the site
+<Bagder>	nothing else ;-)
+<jedix>	hehe
+<jedix>	cool
+<jedix>	I should probably update my cvs
+<Bagder>	Zagor: 'current_tick' is now in the simulator
+*	Bagder broke the win32 simulator build just now
+<dwihno>	Yay! :D
+<dwihno>	you rule Bagder 
+*	dwihno just got a project finished
+<dwihno>	yay!
+<Bagder>	was that the 5 of 5 then?
+<dwihno>	yay = yet another youser
+<dwihno>	not really :)
+<dwihno>	I got 2 new :)
+<Bagder>	heh
+<dwihno>	One step forward, two steps back, ya'know :)
+<dwihno>	So now I'm gonna spend some time configuring a computer
+<dwihno>	(for purchase, that is)
+<dwihno>	Pentium 4 - M Supreme Performance
+<dwihno>	Yum
+<dwihno>	The volume bar should be a numerical value instead of a bar in Rockbox
+<dwihno>	(just a thought)
+<Bagder>	I often don't care for either way
+<Bagder>	I use up/down without any visual feedback
+<dwihno>	me too
+<dwihno>	but it's just a thought
+<dwihno>	the most useless feature: the L/R volume bars
+<Bagder>	indeed
+<Bagder>	all builds are now *green*
+<dwihno>	yay! :D
+<dwihno>	even with the extra warning flags?
+<Bagder>	yeps
+<Bagder>	now, coffee break
+<dwihno>	cools0r
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+<edx>	hi
+<dwihno>	Howdy edx! :D
+<dwihno>	http://www.euro.dell.com/countries/se/sve/dhs/products/model_inspn_inspn_8200.htm, whaddya think?
+<dwihno>	Has Linus started working on the decoder chip on the recorder?
+<dwihno>	CVS archoses should show build date next to 'CVS' (the logo)
+<edx>	@ dell inspiron.. looks cool :)
+<dwihno>	What's the difference between SXGA+, UXGA, and enhanced UXGA?
+<edx>	ugh.. don't ask me :?
+*	dwihno wants to run rockbox on his recorder
+<dwihno>	but just tetris won't do it atm ;)
+<elinenbe>	dwihno: toshiba 5105-s607  (better deal)
+<dwihno>	elinenbe: I'm no rich ass dude!
+<dwihno>	is there any firewire / usb2 converter? :)
+<dwihno>	do you know what the difference between UXGA, SXGA and stuff is?
+<dwihno>	hey elinenbe, wake up :)
+<--	Zagor has quit ("bye")
+<dwihno>	elinenbe: don't ya' know?
+<Bagder>	hey edx
+<Bagder>	edx: I believe I broke the win32 simulator build
+<elinenbe>	I am here
+<dwihno>	hellö :)
+<dwihno>	Do you know the diff between SXGA and UXGA?
+<dwihno>	and does 32 vs 64 meg gfx memory make a difference?
+<elinenbe>	SXGA+ (1400 x 1050) 
+<dwihno>	Is it only the resolution that is the diff?
+<dwihno>	I mean, they still maintain the same aspect ratio
+<elinenbe>	1280 x 1024 SXGA Resolution
+<elinenbe>	1280 x 1024 SXGA Resolution
+<elinenbe>	1280 x 1024 SXGA Resolution
+<elinenbe>	1280 x 1024 SXGA Resolution
+<elinenbe>	1280x1024 SXGA
+<elinenbe>	sorry
+<elinenbe>	uxga 1600x1200 (the best)
+<dwihno>	Extended UXGA, what's so special about that?
+<elinenbe>	no idea.
+<dwihno>	I'll skip the floppy, it's outaged anywayhs
+<elinenbe>	that is just uxga.
+<dwihno>	what do you have?
+<elinenbe>	me?
+<elinenbe>	UXGA
+<dwihno>	How is it for quake? ):
+<dwihno>	:)
+<Bagder>	I find those terms silly
+<elinenbe>	32 megs of memore -- nvidia geforce go
+<Bagder>	I have 1800x1440, I don't ave no silly acronym ;-)
+<elinenbe>	i dont play quake, but fifa world cup runs sooo nicely
+<dwihno>	:)~
+<dwihno>	FIFA is addictive!
+<dwihno>	My combinations are really fancy
+<elinenbe>	on my old desktop I ran 1920x1440
+<dwihno>	pass, pass, SCOOOORE! :)
+<Bagder>	actually, I usually have just 1600x1200
+<elinenbe>	the mobile ATI actually has better benchmarks
+<elinenbe>	but
+<dwihno>	You have 32 megs in your computer?
+<elinenbe>	the nvidia is soo mcuh better due to the drivers, etc.
+<elinenbe>	32 megs video ram
+<elinenbe>	but more is always better
+<dwihno>	Of course :)
+<Bagder>	matrox
+<elinenbe>	matrox is not known for games.
+<dwihno>	But unless you run 3d-games at a high res, 32 meg should be sufficient, right?
+<elinenbe>	yeah
+<Bagder>	Matrox is a killer for 2D
+<elinenbe>	it is fine here.
+<dwihno>	(with high-res, I mean, REALLY HIGH-RES) :)
+<elinenbe>	Matrox has great stuff for 2d
+<dwihno>	yeah
+<elinenbe>	yeah.
+<dwihno>	matrox ownz the 2D market
+<dwihno>	they have been excellent for ages
+<dwihno>	still are
+<elinenbe>	i can run my laptop at max 1600x1200, AND an external monitor at 2048x1536  TAKE THAT!
+<Bagder>	hehe
+<Bagder>	its usually not the card that limits the resolution these days
+<dwihno>	I was just about to mention that
+<elinenbe>	but I have no external monitor anymore -- how do you think I paid for the laptop :)
+<elinenbe>	that is so true.
+<dwihno>	my old TNT card boasted with 3000xsomething resolution
+<elinenbe>	some of the 64 meg cards can do that too.  4400x3300
+<elinenbe>	who the @$!#*& has a montiro THAT large?
+<dwihno>	And then the question is, who the heck uses such a high resolution? :)
+<dwihno>	Computer analphabets
+<dwihno>	I know of such a person :)
+<dwihno>	and he is a computer analphabet
+<elinenbe>	does anyone here use cgywin?
+<elinenbe>	cygwin.
+<dwihno>	I used to
+<dwihno>	Then I started using mingw
+<elinenbe>	is that better or something?
+<dwihno>	UT - 15" TFT UXGA (1600x1200)
+<Bagder>	mingw uses the MS native C lib
+<dwihno>	cygwin uses some kind of unix emulation layer
+<dwihno>	that's the diff
+<dwihno>	s/uses/is/
+<dwihno>	s/uses/comes with/
+<dwihno>	or whatever ;)
+<elinenbe>	ahh... that doesn't effect me.
+<dwihno>	$2250 is the final pricetag
+<dwihno>	including delivery
+<dwihno>	eww
+<elinenbe>	I paid 2299 for mine
+<dwihno>	That's like... 3 luxorious trips
+<elinenbe>	true
+<dwihno>	Whoa
+*	dwihno stops for a second, what the hell am I about to do?!
+<elinenbe>	WIAT
+<elinenbe>	WAIT
+<elinenbe>	read this:
+<elinenbe>	http://computers.cnet.com/hardware/0-2645880-7-1454141.html?tag=prmo
+<dwihno>	ah
+<dwihno>	you got the topmost?
+<elinenbe>	well, it only cost 2299, and yours costs nearly the same
+<dwihno>	"I receieved my toshiba 5105-S607 as a gift from my sister last month"
+<dwihno>	How sick isn't that
+<elinenbe>	what!!
+<elinenbe>	I had to sweep up elephant shit for 4 months for mine.
+<dwihno>	I've been working for 6 months to acquire the bonus
+---	edx is now known as edx|away
+<elinenbe>	I work for the circus
+<dwihno>	Noway! :)
+<elinenbe>	finally he is out of here!
+<elinenbe>	just kidding
+<dwihno>	You're the bearded lady? :)
+<elinenbe>	yeah..  Ringling Brothers
+<dwihno>	elin en beard also known ;D
+<elinenbe>	no... I was the elephant caretaker
+<dwihno>	At least you got a kickass laptop now! ):
+<dwihno>	):Ö
+<dwihno>	:)
+<elinenbe>	I guess.
+<dwihno>	delivery is 7-10 work days
+<elinenbe>	if you have seen the pounds of shit I cleaned up, you would think again...
+<dwihno>	yeah, I guess elephants do produce quite a lot of shit
+<elinenbe>	Badger: where do you live?
+<Bagder>	Stockholm, Sweden
+<dwihno>	I'm being torn apart between 32 or 64 megs of graphics memory
+<elinenbe>	what is the cost difference?
+<elinenbe>	well, remember a laptop is really NEVER upgradable.  so what you buy now, you should expect to be happy with for at least 3 or 4 years.
+<dwihno>	$70
+<elinenbe>	it is probably better to shell out a little more now.  If you get the 32 megs and you are not happy, then what do you do?
+<dwihno>	true
+<dwihno>	you are a wise man
+<dwihno>	(or, bearded lady, if you prefer that) ;)
+<elinenbe>	new games.  I read an article about how it is better to buy the best alptop that you can afford because it will last that much longs
+<elinenbe>	longer
+<dwihno>	Where did you gain your wisdom?
+<dwihno>	I guess scoping elephant shit leaves a lot of time to do philosophical thinking
+<elinenbe>	from the bearded lady.
+<dwihno>	haha
+<dwihno>	:)
+<dwihno>	512 megs of RAM
+<dwihno>	1,6 GHz
+<dwihno>	1600x1200 UXGA
+<dwihno>	but no cd-rw fishy thing
+<Bagder>	... and Linux 2.4.18? ;-]
+*	Bagder giggles
+<dwihno>	:)
+<dwihno>	I'll keep a dualboot thingy
+<dwihno>	what kind of built in network cards are there on these babies?
+<dwihno>	realtek? intel?
+<Bagder>	you're the one buying this
+<elinenbe>	i dont know.
+<dwihno>	elinenbe: what's in yours?
+<elinenbe>	Badger: you run linux -- right?
+<Bagder>	yepso
+<Bagder>	all the time
+<elinenbe>	well, I run a 10 node cluster here :)
+<elinenbe>	just kidding.
+<dwihno>	Internal combo 56k modem / 10/100 network
+<dwihno>	whoa
+<dwihno>	elinenbe: what NIC is in your box?
+<elinenbe>	I have no clue.
+<elinenbe>	I run win xp on my laptop.
+<elinenbe>	that is what came on it.
+<dwihno>	ah
+<dwihno>	mkay
+<dwihno>	check? :)
+<elinenbe>	I am not going to bother changing all this shit.
+<elinenbe>	i run linksys wireless.
+<dwihno>	cool :)
+<dwihno>	wireless is sleek & sexy
+<elinenbe>	I do all my programming on sun machines here anyway
+<elinenbe>	I guess...
+<dwihno>	Time to do a final check before proceeding to the order part
+<Bagder>	I'm off for today, I'll come by tomorrow... see ya
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+<dwihno>	He left :(
+<dwihno>	Nobody left
+<dwihno>	psy is left
+<dwihno>	and the bearded lady
+<elinenbe>	have you compiled the firmware yet?
+<elinenbe>	I have a question.
+<dwihno>	Sorry, I don't :/
+<dwihno>	haven't
+<dwihno>	there
+<dwihno>	the order has been placed
+<elinenbe>	did you use the 25% OFF code from techbargains.com?
+<dwihno>	nay
+<elinenbe>	there is no cupon.. I'm just having some fun :-)
+<dwihno>	I thought you were
+<dwihno>	I just hope I will get the computer soon
+<dwihno>	At least, the order has been placed.
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+<dwihno>	tjoho ironin!
+<dwihno>	ironi: now I've ordered the new computer! :D
+<dwihno>	yay x 10
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+<ironi>	lalala
+<ironi>	hi all
+<ironi>	your UI man is here
+<ironi>	=)
+<dwihno>	where?
+*	dwihno looks around
+<dwihno>	I can't see anything
+<dwihno>	Well, I'm off for the weekend
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+<elinenbe>	ironi: have you done anything with the UI yet?
+<ironi>	elinenbe: well no =)
+<ironi>	I can suggest changes and let ppl who know more implement them hehe
+<elinenbe>	oh.... I see
+<elinenbe>	I can do that too :)
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+<elinenbe>	when I am compiling the firmware. I get an error...
+<elinenbe>	drivers/button.c: In function `button_tick':
+<elinenbe>	drivers/button.c:70: `NULL' undeclared (first use in this function)
+<elinenbe>	can anyone help me
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+<ironi>	music of the day (MOTD) : cd1-12-armand_van_helden-why_cant_you_free_some_time_(-lbe.mp3
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+<g003y>	YO!
+<g003y>	dang... everyone is sleeping or working :/
+<adi|work>	whats up?
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+<g003y>	heya adi
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+<g003y>	heya elinenbe
+<elinenbe>	hey there.
+<elinenbe>	you are compiling under cygwin -- right?
+<g003y>	yeah
+<elinenbe>	can you step me through it really fast.  when you install cygwin do what options did you check?
+<elinenbe>	I could not get it to compile today -- it told me I was missing the header files.
+<elinenbe>	string.h
+<elinenbe>	stdio.h
+<elinenbe>	etc...
+<g003y>	oh
+<g003y>	did you install gcc with cygwin?
+<elinenbe>	yeah
+<elinenbe>	I should not do that -- right?
+<g003y>	no.
+<elinenbe>	what packages should I select?
+<g003y>	you need gcc to get to the cross compiled one
+<g003y>	I don't think it's a package issue
+<g003y>	string.h is standard lib
+<elinenbe>	well, then binutils asks for a cc compiler?
+<elinenbe>	yeah I know.
+<g003y>	you may have to mod that make for binutils then
+<elinenbe>	how did you do it?
+<g003y>	I'm trying to recall the steps in my crusty brain here :D
+<g003y>	I'm not near my install
+<elinenbe>	I am going to do a default cygwin install...
+<g003y>	yeah but I encountered the cc problem you had
+<elinenbe>	oh.
+<elinenbe>	I should install cygwin without gcc -- right?
+<g003y>	I know I have a solution.  I believe I edited the makefile and changed CC=cc to CC=gcc
+<elinenbe>	oh... ok
+<g003y>	no you need an initial gcc to get things done
+<elinenbe>	then I should install gcc?
+<g003y>	yeah
+<g003y>	then you update it when you do Zagor's instructions
+<elinenbe>	ok, so I am installing cygwin default, with gcc
+<g003y>	don't forget make as well
+<g003y>	 :D
+<elinenbe>	ok.
+<elinenbe>	which make.
+<g003y>	the make proggy
+<elinenbe>	I am just doing the standard configure/make/make install
+<g003y>	I'm sure it installs by default
+<elinenbe>	well, I will tell you.
+<g003y>	the missing string.h is probably a pathing issue you're having
+<elinenbe>	well, it was there in /usr/include
+<g003y>	yeah but on mine it wouldn't find it with cygwin for some reason
+<g003y>	I had to put it right into the makefiles that required it
+<g003y>	then compiles worked
+<elinenbe>	what do you mean you had to put it right into the make file?
+<elinenbe>	the path?
+<g003y>	yeah
+<g003y>	-I/usr/include
+<g003y>	then compiles worked
+<elinenbe>	oh... ok
+<elinenbe>	well, that is all I think I needed to do then
+<g003y>	for some reason it doesn't pick it up
+<g003y>	oh ok
+<g003y>	well then try that :D
+<elinenbe>	everything was compiling okay, except that.
+<g003y>	oh
+<g003y>	then you're far enough along that it's probably that bit
+<g003y>	I haven't gone back to shell setup to figure it out as it's easy enough to put that extra include in the Makefiles.
+<elinenbe>	brb
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+<PsycoXul>	 boy it takes faaaar too long for archos' firmware to load just the first 999 tracks of my wholedisk playlist heh
+<elinenbe>	I think the rockbox version takes too long
+<PsycoXul>	heh
+<PsycoXul>	oh yeah?
+<elinenbe>	yeah!
+<elinenbe>	2 seconds is WAY too long :)
+<PsycoXul>	hehe
+<PsycoXul>	yeah
+<elinenbe>	I am just kidding
+<PsycoXul>	well the new technology 
+<elinenbe>	the rockbox firmware is quite nice
+<PsycoXul>	based on precessional resonance 
+<elinenbe>	did you do the playlist code?
+<PsycoXul>	and subatomic manipulations rather than interatomic motions
+<PsycoXul>	will be much more capable than our current "electronic" technology is
+<elinenbe>	I see...
+<PsycoXul>	me code? hah...
+<PsycoXul>	i play with code sometimes... i even write some interesting things... but i don't really code :p
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+<g003y>	psyco- does the rockbox code actually play the songs in the playlist for you?
+<PsycoXul>	not last i tried
+<g003y>	ok then I'm not crazy
+<g003y>	I compiled last night, but no go on playing the songs
+<g003y>	but it sure as heck loaded te playlist fast :D
+<PsycoXul>	hehe
+<PsycoXul>	yeah
+<g003y>	I'll have to update my code tonight to see if something got submitted.
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+<ironi>	hey Bagder
+<Bagder>	hey ho
+<ironi>	just got up?
+<Bagder>	no
+<edx>	hi as well :)
+<ironi>	Heh I got up, and breafast was served, total luxury.
+<ironi>	hey edx
+<ironi>	My gf is visiting, heh.
+<ironi>	*practical*
+<Bagder>	my wife took off for the rest of the day ;-)
+<ironi>	hehe, sounds like you can sit in front of the computer without hearing "Will you ever get off that thing?"
+<Bagder>	heheh, exactly
+<ironi>	I know that feeling
+<ironi>	"Can't you just let it go when I'm here"
+<Bagder>	... with references to the fine weather etc ;-)
+<ironi>	hehe
+<ironi>	well i hear the weather rocks in sthlm the last days
+<ironi>	here it's crap the last week
+<Bagder>	hey
+<Bagder>	I made 26 changes in the last daily build
+<Bagder>	alone
+<Bagder>	we should get the guys work more ;-)
+*	edx stares on his feet
+<Bagder>	hehe
+*	dw|gone is _NOT_ here ;)
+<Bagder>	the win32 build broke, didn't it?
+<edx>	huh?
+<Bagder>	I think I broke it
+<edx>	didnt try (even more staring to my feet)
+*	Bagder pleads guilty
+<edx>	congrats :P
+<Bagder>	http://bjorn.haxx.se/rockbox/daily/changes-20020615.txt
+<Bagder>	read the first change mentioned ;-)
+<edx>	LOL
+<edx>	*compiling*
+<edx>	one unresolved external... :)
+<edx>	what file is this/
+<edx>	?
+<Bagder>	current_tick, right?
+<edx>	sure hehe
+<edx>	what file is it in and what shall it do?
+<Bagder>	I "fake" it, check uisim/x11/thread.c
+<Bagder>	just increase it every now and then ;-)
+<edx>	k
+<Bagder>	in target it is incremented by the timer interrupt
+<edx>	in what timespan is the interrupt called
+<Bagder>	I'm not sure, but it might be something like 50ms between
+<edx>	when do you increase it?
+<Bagder>	on yield() and on sleep()
+<Bagder>	I just add 3 in yeild and 5 in sleep()
+<edx>	aha
+<Bagder>	just to make it continue "growing"
+<edx>	ill set up a timer :)
+<edx>	hmm this is a variable or a function (just a variable, right?)
+<Bagder>	you could do that, if you think that'll be more fun ;-)
+<Bagder>	just a variable, yes
+<edx>	more code more fun lol
+<Bagder>	hehe
+<edx>	where is current_tick declared (header file..)?
+<Bagder>	kernel.h
+<edx>	(ok.. works)
+<Bagder>	neato
+<edx>	hey cool.. the scroll character for the recorder changed. nice
+<Bagder>	yeah
+<Bagder>	I never liked using only a minus
+<edx>	for the player its a questionmark on the simulator... is that correct ?!
+<Bagder>	yes
+<Bagder>	we should fix that too
+<Bagder>	it's a special character on the target
+<edx>	ok
+<Bagder>	we just don't have that in the simulator charset
+<Bagder>	seen the new link on the compile status table too?
+<edx>	.. no?
+<Bagder>	it makes it easy to see which changes that were committed just before the automatic build
+<edx>	changelog you mean?
+<edx>	that is great
+<Bagder>	no I meant down in the "CVS compile status" table
+<Bagder>	the "batch" dates are now links
+<edx>	cool.. it colors warnings :)
+<Bagder>	yeps
+<edx>	.. could you do me a favour?
+<Bagder>	sure, what?
+<edx>	http://codeforce.d2g.com/new/ this page.. does it look ok in linux?
+<edx>	(heh.. i registered a channel on openprojects.net as well lol... this irc is really useful)
+<Bagder>	looks fine
+<edx>	ok.. thanks
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+*	Bagder commits
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+<edx>	broken my build again?! hehe
+<Bagder>	heh, no, I made it nicer ;-)
+<Bagder>	fixed the cursor on the simulated player
+<edx>	(my build?!) hehe... 
+<edx>	ah cool
+<edx>	thats good
+<Bagder>	should work fine for you too
+<edx>	hmm we should add win32 simulator for the daily page :)
+<edx>	but i see no way how this would be possible :/
+<Bagder>	there's no x11 simulator build daily either
+<Bagder>	only automaticly for the build status one
+<Bagder>	maybe that's what you meant?
+<edx>	yea
+<edx>	but theres a report for the sim
+<Bagder>	yes
+<Bagder>	it's easy to build automaticly
+<edx>	and why is there a P-Old sim.. thats the same as p-sim, right?
+<Bagder>	hehe, yes it should be pretty much exactly the same ;-)
+<edx>	(why is tehre a p-old at all.. its only one step)
+<Bagder>	p-old has a different lcd
+<edx>	oh.. ok
+<Bagder>	that's why
+<edx>	maybe i could provide a daily build page for the win32 simulator on my server.
+<Bagder>	sure!
+<edx>	but i couldn't get it update automatically i guess (i could update it everytime i change something)
+<Bagder>	but then we won't see it break if someone else change something...
+<edx>	hmm yea
+<edx>	the problem is that my server doesnt have visual studio installed...
+<edx>	.. well i have an idea.. but it needs a testing.. maybe i could get it to work
+<edx>	it would need to checkout, compile, generate a webpage...
+<edx>	that's gets less and less a problem the more i think about it
+<edx>	be right back.
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+<Bagder>	:-)
+---	edx|brb is now known as edx
+<edx>	Bagder: I am trying to get things compiled on my server now, if it works, i'll set up a page which updates hourly and contains the last 24 compilation reports
+<Bagder>	cool!
+<edx>	i hope it work if i just copy some files and dont intsall visual studio
+*	Bagder writes new screen savers ;-)
+<dw|gone>	YAY! 
+<dw|gone>	:D
+<Bagder>	hehe
+<Bagder>	hey, I *am* an old demo coder ;-)
+<edx>	lol .. write the sine wave for rockbox hehe
+<Bagder>	I do!
+<edx>	cool :)
+<edx>	screensave should be activated automatically after 5 mins of non-action lol
+<Bagder>	right now, I have a 'R' that flies around the screen in a circle ;-)
+<edx>	hehe
+<dw|gone>	Whoa
+<dw|gone>	evil stuff ):
+<dw|gone>	):
+<dw|gone>	):
+<dw|gone>	:)
+<dw|gone>	<-- is mongo today
+<Bagder>	it looks pretty cool 
+<dw|gone>	flies around?
+<Bagder>	yeah, "ROCKbox"
+<Bagder>	all letters independently
+<dw|gone>	cool :)
+<Bagder>	on a sine wave
+<dw|gone>	I guess I'll have to see it for myself
+<dw|gone>	I'll check the build on monday morning
+<Bagder>	hm, I wonder if I can make the rockbox logo be in the background...
+<dw|gone>	hehe :)
+<dw|gone>	demo coding for the archos
+<dw|gone>	perfect for some wild compo ;)
+<Bagder>	hahaha
+<dw|gone>	Well, at least, the music is not a problem ;)
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+<Bagder>	it does require some minor lcd fixes... :-)
+*	Bagder jumps in
+<Bagder>	time to try on target
+*	dw|gone is trying to focus on the code, and not on the fact that he's hungry like a wolf
+<Bagder>	rock!
+<Bagder>	http://storebror.haxx.se/archos/
+<dw|gone>	*yawn*
+<dw|gone>	I'll test it, just for your sake ;)
+<Bagder>	hehe
+<Bagder>	it is just totally useless, but its fun ;-)
+<Bagder>	I'm considering a game now ;-)
+<dw|gone>	what about fixing broken code? :)
+<Bagder>	nah, not as fun
+<Bagder>	hehe
+<Bagder>	like what code are you referring to?
+<dw|gone>	dunno :)
+<dw|gone>	Sometimes it locks when I start fiddling with the volume
+<dw|gone>	hahaha
+<dw|gone>	you are really sick :)
+*	Bagder grins
+<dw|gone>	really neat :)
+<Bagder>	and they fly! ;-)
+<dw|gone>	How come the directory browsing is 100 times faster with rockbox?
+<Bagder>	no idea
+<dw|gone>	I mean, when entering new dirs
+<Bagder>	they must be doing something terrible
+<dw|gone>	yeah
+<dw|gone>	and the scroller still scrolls when going across dirs :)
+<dw|gone>	If the LCD flickering stops and we get mp3 decoding, I'll start using it rightaway :)
+<Bagder>	I agree
+<dw|gone>	pok?mon instead of pokémon
+<Bagder>	with our playlist support too, it'll be a killer
+<dw|gone>	yeah
+<Bagder>	yeah, we have no such letter
+<dw|gone>	aren't you using the built in font?
+<Bagder>	there is no built-in on the recorder
+<dw|gone>	ah...
+<Bagder>	100% "home made" ;-)
+<dw|gone>	ah, that's why it's butt ugly ;)
+*	Bagder nods
+<dw|gone>	5x7 in a 6x8 space?
+<Bagder>	yes
+<dw|gone>	Less than 7 pixels vertical will not look good, but I guess it's possible to narrow it down a bit horizontally
+<Bagder>	Yes, at least some letters
+<dw|gone>	The main issue is long filenames
+<dw|gone>	!¤"#! archos firmware won't even show the entire filenames ,)
+<dw|gone>	is it possible to have 2+ simultaneous scrollers?
+<Bagder>	edx: around?
+<Bagder>	dw|gone: oh sure
+<dw|gone>	with the current code, thatis
+<dw|gone>	how do you keep the scroller running while accessing the disk at the same time?
+<Bagder>	we use several threads
+<Bagder>	the scrolling is in its own thread
+<dw|gone>	Do you think the archos firmware has threading?
+<Bagder>	I don't think so
+<Bagder>	but they could and perhaps have other limits on their threads than we do
+<dw|gone>	how big is the firmware without the padding atm?
+<Bagder>	lemme check
+<Bagder>	hm
+<Bagder>	I don't quite get the map file
+<dw|gone>	mkay
+<dw|gone>	well, approx 20k?
+<Bagder>	when loaded, we use 4de4c ram
+<dw|gone>	320k
+<dw|gone>	do you know how much the original firmware uses?
+<Bagder>	no
+<Bagder>	I guess I could figure out by checking my dissassembly
+<Bagder>	anyway, included in those 320K is our malloc heap etc
+<Bagder>	currently we have no code that use malloc() ;-)
+<Bagder>	the code is about 32700 bytes
+<Bagder>	in this recorder build
+<Bagder>	ouch, yellow alert!
+<elinenbe>	Badger: you want to program a game -- try sokoban :)
+<Bagder>	hehehe
+<Bagder>	I'm thinking pong...
+<dw|gone>	what is sokoban?
+<dw|gone>	what about arkanoid? :)
+<Bagder>	http://verde666.org/sed/sokoban/
+<dw|gone>	and has Linus started looking on the decoder chip?
+<Bagder>	its written using 'sed'
+<Bagder>	yes
+*	dw|gone is like a kid in a candy store
+<dw|gone>	Rockbox already rocks without any music ;D
+<dw|gone>	erhgm
+<dw|gone>	With a screenshot, I STILL DON'T understadn sokoban :)
+<Bagder>	its just the ultimate geek thing, to write a game using a tool meant for search/replace
+<dw|gone>	aaaah :)
+<dw|gone>	I see
+<Bagder>	I never played it ;-)
+<dw|gone>	I test it now :)
+<dw|gone>	There was a port for gameboy called boxxle
+<dw|gone>	fancy :)
+<dw|gone>	Darn
+<dw|gone>	16:00
+<dw|gone>	I should finish what I'm working on and go homo
+<dw|gone>	home ;)
+<dw|gone>	hah
+<Bagder>	freudian slip? ;-)
+<dw|gone>	hehe
+<dw|gone>	dunno
+<dw|gone>	how many entries does the playlist support by default?
+<Bagder>	you mean non-rockbox?
+<dw|gone>	no, rockbox :)
+<Bagder>	10000
+<edx>	Does anyone of you know Java a little?
+<dw|gone>	mkay
+<Bagder>	edx: euuh, a little, yes ;-)
+<dw|gone>	great :D
+<dw|gone>	I'll test loading a huge playlist
+<edx>	Bagder: what does thius line do:
+<Bagder>	dw|gone: Björn has 40GB, he has no more than 5500 songs ;-)
+<edx>	inURL = new URL(getCodeBase(), infile);
+<dw|gone>	it constructs a url
+<edx>	ok thats what i know as well.. what will the url look like?
+<dw|gone>	codebase sounds JSP'ish
+<dw|gone>	I dunno if it does some base64 encoding too perhaps
+<edx>	ahhh .. i think i got it.
+<edx>	thanks
+<dw|gone>	heh.. thanks for nothing ;)
+<Bagder>	edx: .. eeeeh... uuuuh. "win32 simulator break alert" :-)
+<Bagder>	is there any way I can add a file to your build?
+<dw|gone>	is rockbox capable of building playlists by itself yet?
+<Bagder>	no
+<Bagder>	we don't even have the write() function enabled
+<dw|gone>	aah
+<dw|gone>	smart
+<Bagder>	yeah, its for safety
+<Bagder>	we have no functions for altering disk contents yet
+<dw|gone>	I like the boot speed of rockbox
+*	Bagder agrees
+<dw|gone>	Would be neat to know what exactly the archos firmware does that takes so much time
+<Bagder>	yes
+<Bagder>	it is possible we might need to do a few of those things too in the future
+<dw|gone>	any ideas of what?
+<dw|gone>	it shows the disk label as a file btw
+<Bagder>	I have no clue really, I just mean that we haven't quite investigated everything yet
+<dw|gone>	"INSANITY.!"
+<dw|gone>	true, true
+<dw|gone>	it's not possible to switch it off with the power cord in
+<Bagder>	no
+<dw|gone>	Time to check how fast it loads a 3000 track playlist
+<dw|gone>	whoa
+<dw|gone>	it interprets #-lines as files
+<Bagder>	yes
+<Bagder>	right
+<Bagder>	I fix
+<Bagder>	do they all start with # in the first column?
+<dw|gone>	yeah
+<dw|gone>	winamp-style
+<dw|gone>	it loads the playlist FAAAAAAAST! :D
+<dw|gone>	In just a couple of seconds
+<Bagder>	about 1000 songs per second
+<Bagder>	that is many many times faster than the built-in
+<dw|gone>	hehe
+<dw|gone>	yeah
+<dw|gone>	1 song per second is the firmware default ;)
+<dw|gone>	or perhaps 10
+<dw|gone>	but that's not close to 1000 ;)
+<Bagder>	it is an amazingly huge diff actually
+<dw|gone>	what happens when the unit runs of battery?
+<dw|gone>	with rockbox firmware, that is
+<Bagder>	it dies ;-)
+<Bagder>	I mean run out of battery
+<Bagder>	just running on battery is no diff than with power cord
+<dw|gone>	I just wonder if there is some kind of shutdown procedure required not to harm the hard disk
+<Bagder>	well
+<Bagder>	I think we should try to do that, yes
+<Bagder>	# support added
+<dw|gone>	yay ;D
+<dw|gone>	is the directory browser 100%?
+<dw|gone>	I mean, showing every file and such
+<Bagder>	yes, there's a maximum amount of files in a single dir I believe though
+<dw|gone>	I have a dir with 4 dirs and 1 pls
+<dw|gone>	it didn't show the pls
+<dw|gone>	m3u
+<Bagder>	!
+<Bagder>	what is the playlist called?
+<dw|gone>	Everything.m3u
+<dw|gone>	in my dir "Electronica"
+<Bagder>	weird
+<Bagder>	and it happens all the time?
+<dw|gone>	nope only once
+<dw|gone>	now it shows " - Der Sinn d" instead of Welle erdball
+<Bagder>	ok
+<dw|gone>	Der Sinn des Lebens is a subdir in "Welle erdball"
+<Bagder>	hm
+<dw|gone>	oops
+<dw|gone>	I just caused a hang
+<Bagder>	I wonder if there's some bug in the target dir read code
+<dw|gone>	Trying to load a m3u with
+<dw|gone>	\ in the filename
+<dw|gone>	argh
+<dw|gone>	it's a live
+<Bagder>	it died while loading the playlist?
+<dw|gone>	it died for a lot of seconds
+<dw|gone>	then it began to live again
+*	elinenbe decide to go run 100 miles while gcc builds... and then MAYBE it will be done.
+<Bagder>	hehe, yeah it can take a while ;-)
+<elinenbe>	not as long as anything that is qt/kde
+<Bagder>	heheh
+<elinenbe>	koffice took forever on a 2x1500mhz pc
+<Bagder>	luckily, rockbox builds blazingly fast ;-)
+<dw|gone>	:)
+<elinenbe>	Badger: if I want to add " -I/usr/include " to the makefile, where would I put it?
+<Bagder>	firmware/Makefile and apps/Makefile
+<elinenbe>	I am compiling under cygwin and for some reason it does not find the header files.
+<elinenbe>	yeah, but how do I add it into the makefile?
+<Bagder>	both of them have a line like "INCLUDES=" where you can add that extra -I
+<Bagder>	if this is a problem to more people, we could probably fix this better
+<elinenbe>	the apps makefiles does, but the tools/makefile does not.
+<elinenbe>	It is for anyone compiling under cygwin
+<Bagder>	not tools, firmware
+<elinenbe>	g003y had this problem
+<Bagder>	hm, ok
+<elinenbe>	too
+<Bagder>	I think I know the fix for this problem
+<Bagder>	we must add header files to our project, since we don't use newlib anymore
+<elinenbe>	that could be the thing
+<Bagder>	you build without newlib, right?
+<elinenbe>	yeah
+<elinenbe>	I did not donload it or anything.
+<Bagder>	so that's it
+<Bagder>	we need to supply a bunch of headers ourselves
+<elinenbe>	huff.. when I do a make all
+<elinenbe>	I get this garbage
+<elinenbe>	Eric@VIOLET ~/rockbox-daily-20020615/tools
+<elinenbe>	$ make all
+<elinenbe>	make -C ../firmware TARGET=-DARCHOS_RECORDER NODEBUG=1 OBJDIR="/home/Eric/rockbo
+<elinenbe>	x-daily-20020615/tools"
+<elinenbe>	make[1]: Entering directory `/home/Eric/rockbox-daily-20020615/firmware'
+<elinenbe>	Updating dependencies for thread.c
+<elinenbe>	Updating dependencies for system.c
+<elinenbe>	system.c:19:19: warning: stdio.h: No such file or directory
+<elinenbe>	Updating dependencies for settings.c
+<elinenbe>	settings.c:20:19: warning: stdio.h: No such file or directory
+<elinenbe>	Updating dependencies for panic.c
+<elinenbe>	panic.c:20:19: warning: stdio.h: No such file or directory
+<elinenbe>	and more and more of that...
+<elinenbe>	it can not find the standard header files at all
+<Bagder>	right, that's why we need to provide our own
+<elinenbe>	is there any way around this for me?
+<Bagder>	did you add -I/usr/include in the firmware/Makefile ?
+<elinenbe>	yeah
+<elinenbe>	hold on...
+<elinenbe>	I added a /usr/includes by mistake
+<Bagder>	ah
+<elinenbe>	in tools I did a 'make clean'
+<elinenbe>	make all
+<elinenbe>	and then still get an error...
+<elinenbe>	this is witht the most recent tarball
+<elinenbe>	make[1]: sh-elf-a: Command not found
+<elinenbe>	make[1]: *** [/home/Eric/rockbox-daily-20020615/tools/librockbox.a] Error 127
+<elinenbe>	make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/Eric/rockbox-daily-20020615/firmware'
+<elinenbe>	make: *** [firmware] Error 2
+<Bagder>	!
+<Bagder>	in tools?
+<elinenbe>	I am just doing a make clean
+<elinenbe>	make install
+<elinenbe>	in the toold directory <-- that should build everything -- right?
+<Bagder>	hm
+<elinenbe>	but the make gives me that error.
+<Bagder>	did you run the configure script in the tools directory?
+<elinenbe>	yeah
+<elinenbe>	I'll do that again to make sure everything is cool
+<Bagder>	you should rather create a separate build directory and run the configure script there
+<elinenbe>	ok
+<Bagder>	mkdir ../build; cd ../build; ../tools/configure
+<elinenbe>	I get the same thing
+<elinenbe>	"sh-elf-a: command not found"
+<Bagder>	is your PATH setup to include the dir with the sh-gcc tools?
+<elinenbe>	lemme check
+<elinenbe>	I followed the direction on the web page... the path should be something like "~/sh1/bin"
+<elinenbe>	well, that is in the path
+<Bagder>	make sure it is $HOME/ and not ~/
+<Bagder>	or full path
+<elinenbe>	it is $HOME
+<elinenbe>	acutally the full path
+<Bagder>	ok
+<elinenbe>	in /sh1/bin I do not have a sh-elf-a, I have sh-elf-ar and sh-elf-as though
+<Bagder>	yeah
+<Bagder>	but if you check the Makefile, it uses as and ar only
+<elinenbe>	ok
+<Bagder>	seems to be the ar line that goes wrong
+<Bagder>	it compiles all c source first, doesn't it?
+<elinenbe>	the ar line in the makefile is messed up;
+<elinenbe>	AR = sh-elf-a
+<elinenbe>	that is what it says
+<Bagder>	in the Makefile?
+<elinenbe>	yeah, all the C code is great
+<elinenbe>	yeah
+<Bagder>	your Makefile must've been ruined somehow
+<elinenbe>	in firmware/Makefile
+<Bagder>	should be -ar
+<elinenbe>	well, I just got it from the tarball...
+<Bagder>	odd
+<Bagder>	I'll check the tarball
+<elinenbe>	i just checked it -- it is there
+<elinenbe>	I must have messed oit up.
+<Bagder>	ah, ok
+<elinenbe>	thanks for the help
+<Bagder>	no problems
+<elinenbe>	now my enviroment is all nice :)
+<elinenbe>	there we go...
+<Bagder>	we'll sort out the include problem too
+<elinenbe>	no problem.
+<elinenbe>	it works fine with the include added to the makefile.  Is that not an ok solution?
+<Bagder>	sure its ok
+<Bagder>	when it makes it annoying if you wanna update often
+<Bagder>	s/when/but
+<elinenbe>	one last thing: how do I compile the scramble.c file?
+<Bagder>	when you ran configure in that dir, the original Makefile was overwritten. Get the orginal one back and run make in there
+<elinenbe>	ok
+<elinenbe>	will do.
+<elinenbe>	Badger: thanks so much, everything is going great
+<Bagder>	goodie
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+<Bagder>	bbl
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+<g003y>	heya
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+<g003y>	heya bagder
+<Bagder>	hey ho
+<g003y>	nice work on that include issue
+<Bagder>	thanks, but we're not quite there yet ;-)
+<g003y>	does the -I/to/whatever still need to be added to the makefiles?
+<Bagder>	yes, I didn't really change this yet
+<g003y>	ahhhh
+<g003y>	ok
+<Bagder>	I'm only preparing
+<g003y>	well at least you figured out the prob
+<g003y>	All I knew was the -I fixed it for me :D
+<Bagder>	:-)
+<g003y>	but I figured it was cygwin being all dumb on win32
+<Bagder>	so is your "play-screen" coming anywhere?
+<g003y>	well I haven't done a ton of work recently.
+<g003y>	I did get setup on source forge
+<g003y>	basically right now I can compile to choose between a file scroll or id3 display
+<g003y>	though I'm looking into modding the settings to store it and make it user selectable
+<Bagder>	user settable is nice
+<g003y>	then I will add a 3rd set of logic that will attempt to pull apart directory/filename for information
+<g003y>	so it looks id3 ish 
+<Bagder>	remember that we can't yet store anything on disk
+<g003y>	yup
+<g003y>	I see the writes still return 1l
+<g003y>	without doing anything :D
+<Bagder>	hehe
+<g003y>	so what I will do now is make the default option switchable on compile
+<g003y>	then ppl will just be able to change it on the fly if they need to
+<Bagder>	sounds fine
+<g003y>	question for ya
+<g003y>	do the playlists actually play?
+<Bagder>	yes
+<g003y>	dang....
+<g003y>	for some reason I can't get mine going
+<g003y>	it scans it and just sits there
+<Bagder>	oh
+<g003y>	I tried making with vi, a script and winamp
+<g003y>	nothing worked for me as of a couple days ago
+<Bagder>	well, to tell you the truth, I wrote the code but I have a recorder so I can't really try it on target yet ;-)
+<g003y>	hahahahahahahaha
+<g003y>	well I haven't really debugged into it, but the logic looks correct
+<Bagder>	we might need to get someone with gdb to look at it
+<g003y>	yeah I've just been "printfing" to the screen for debugging output :D
+<Bagder>	yeah, and the simulators are usually pretty good too to try stuff on
+<Bagder>	but not when it comes to actual mp3 playback
+<g003y>	I haven't gotten mine to succesfully compile yet
+<g003y>	so like the old COBOL days.... I try to get it right on the first try :D
+<Bagder>	the win32 one?
+<g003y>	yeah
+<g003y>	but it's probably just me
+<Bagder>	I wouldn't know, I've never tried ;-)
+<Bagder>	I'm on the x11 one
+<g003y>	the x11 seems to have more compile directions
+<g003y>	I got it to compile once when I first got the firmware. 
+<g003y>	though now... eh.
+<g003y>	I just outright forgot how I managed it
+<g003y>	I'll have to try again.
+<Bagder>	it would be neat to get a cygwin version Makefile for the win32 simulator
+<g003y>	oh hey.
+<g003y>	there it goes with current
+<g003y>	ok I was being a llame :D
+<g003y>	llama that is
+<g003y>	cute....
+<g003y>	I need to compile the player 
+<g003y>	version though
+<Bagder>	yes
+<Bagder>	it should be possible
+<g003y>	ok so it pulls apps logic from the apps directory right?
+<Bagder>	yes
+<g003y>	good
+<g003y>	no screwing around then :D
+<Bagder>	the apps should run pretty much unaltered in target and simulators
+<g003y>	_should_ hehehehheh
+<g003y>	the true beauty of C :D
+<Bagder>	right, we can never be completely sure
+<Bagder>	hey, I wrote my flying rockbox this afternoon
+<Bagder>	all in simulator
+<Bagder>	worked on first attempt on target
+<g003y>	flying rockbox?
+<Bagder>	you should see it ;-)
+<Bagder>	kind of a screensaver, totally useless
+<g003y>	you mean the logo?
+<g003y>	ha
+<g003y>	that will only work on the recorder right?
+<Bagder>	no, the text Rockbox flying around on sine waves
+<Bagder>	yes
+<g003y>	hhahahahah... cool.
+<Bagder>	if you get the simulator working, you'll see it ;-)
+<elinenbe2>	Badger: will that be included in the tarball tonight?
+<Bagder>	hm, no
+<elinenbe2>	that is a shame
+<Bagder>	or what did you mean?
+<Bagder>	the includes right?
+<elinenbe2>	no, your sine rockbox
+<Bagder>	ah, that'll be included
+<g003y>	yeah only the important stuff first :D
+<Bagder>	hehe
+<elinenbe2>	I am building a sokoban clone.
+<elinenbe2>	I will get it done within a day or two.
+<Bagder>	we could pretend it is useful as it tests the lcd functions properly ;-)
+<elinenbe2>	yeah :)
+<g003y>	hey I think it's cool so it needs to be included anyway :D
+<elinenbe2>	g003y: everything is up and running great under cugwin here... Badger helped me earlier today.
+<g003y>	coool
+<g003y>	what was the last you needed to do?
+<elinenbe2>	I had to add the included to the Makefiles.
+<elinenbe2>	that was about it.
+<g003y>	yeah
+<g003y>	thats what I was saying yesterday
+<g003y>	a -I/usr/include right?
+<elinenbe2>	ya
+<g003y>	good deal.  good to see you're up & running
+<elinenbe2>	I am partially throguh a sokoban clone
+<elinenbe2>	but, it is slow as I am running everything on the target.  I am not able to compile the simulator.
+<g003y>	I just got it to compile from current myself
+<elinenbe2>	how were you able to do that?
+<g003y>	I sync to cvs tree
+<elinenbe2>	the windows simulator?
+<elinenbe2>	ah... but what did you use to compile?
+<g003y>	yeah I just tried with the latest source
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+<g003y>	nmake from a dos window
+<elinenbe>	oh
+<g003y>	I have vc installed with all the paths 
+<PsycoXul>	so uh heh nobody's interested in writing a proper text viewer for the player's huh?
+<elinenbe>	so do I, but no nmake.
+<Bagder>	a text viewer should be really simple to write
+<g003y>	you probably don't have all the paths registered in your environment for dos
+<PsycoXul>	yeah it should be...
+<PsycoXul>	i haven't had much luck with it though heh
+<g003y>	you need to run the vcvars.bat which is somehere in the vc install dir
+<g003y>	then run nmake in the uisimulator->win32 dir
+<elinenbe>	ok
+<elinenbe>	I will try that :)
+<g003y>	text viewer?
+<g003y>	like a text file?
+<PsycoXul>	yeah
+<g003y>	joc- why?
+<g003y>	what you doing?
+<PsycoXul>	huh? wanting to view text files?
+<PsycoXul>	heh
+<g003y>	yeah but just for the heck of it?
+<PsycoXul>	no... for the ability to read books i've got on my archos while listening to music on it heh
+<g003y>	ahhhhhhhh
+<elinenbe>	I still can't run nmake.
+<g003y>	thats some small text though.  you'll be scrolling from here to kingdom come
+<PsycoXul>	yes
+<PsycoXul>	well you only really need 1 line...
+<g003y>	yeah but you'd only get some many characters wide on that display
+<PsycoXul>	i figure it'd be pretty usable if it scrolled by word
+<PsycoXul>	except for words >11 chars
+<PsycoXul>	heh
+<g003y>	heheh
+<g003y>	yeah you could scroll it, but I bet after all the work it wouldn't really be usable
+<g003y>	in that sense
+<PsycoXul>	nah i've played with a few different methods for it
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+<PsycoXul>	and even scrolling by char isn't unusable
+<g003y>	hmmm ok
+<g003y>	you're a freak :D
+<PsycoXul>	heh yeah
+<g003y>	though a text viewer could be used in many interesting wayts
+<Bagder>	on the recorder it could be neat
+<g003y>	VI for Archos :D
+<PsycoXul>	but i'm just a lousy coder who can't really do it "proper" with good memory management and such like that
+<g003y>	yeah the recorder has the kind of display you could pull it off with
+<PsycoXul>	yeah
+<PsycoXul>	well doesn't archos' firmware for the recorder already display text? i read it did...
+<Bagder>	hm, perhaps it does ;-)
+<Bagder>	I haven't tried it
+<PsycoXul>	i figured the best player text viewer would have selectable modes
+<PsycoXul>	like a 'less' style mode that gives an 11x2 window and lets you scroll around
+<g003y>	yeah true
+<PsycoXul>	a book mode that goes by-word scrolling
+<PsycoXul>	etc 
+<PsycoXul>	and a bookmark feature would also be handy
+<PsycoXul>	but unfortunately my skills as a coder aren't such that i know how about going about such a thing... heh
+<g003y>	well  you'd need a buffer and a file handle to get yourself started :D
+<Bagder>	I think it should scroll automaticly and you'd only control the speed and pause/play
+<g003y>	yup the scroll api is really nice
+<PsycoXul>	my attempts at just making a simplistic by-word scrolling viewer with no fancy features have been nasty little pieces that didn't really work heh
+<PsycoXul>	Bagder: thats a good idea
+<PsycoXul>	save a lot of wear on the buttons heh
+<Bagder>	yeah
+<PsycoXul>	and fingers
+<Bagder>	you'd only make it run as fast as you wanna read, and then lean back ;-)
+<g003y>	or lean in :D
+<PsycoXul>	heh
+<PsycoXul>	but what is memory availability like for other tasks while mp3's are playing?
+<g003y>	well you're only looking at one line of text right?
+<Bagder>	the mp3 buffers are never available to anyone else, so the situation is the same all the time
+<g003y>	you shouldn't eat up much memory doing it.
+<PsycoXul>	yeah
+<Bagder>	it would need *some* to prevent it from reading from disk all the time
+<PsycoXul>	but we don't wanna keep reading from disk all the time either
+<g003y>	well you will need an optimal character buffer
+<Bagder>	how fast can a person read? how many words a minute do an average?
+<g003y>	but you're gonna have to take the hit on disk read anyway
+<Bagder>	200-300?
+<PsycoXul>	Bagder: i dunno, i think it varies pretty widely
+<Bagder>	I guess
+<Bagder>	just trying to estimate buffers... :-)
+<PsycoXul>	there's also going backwards.. sometimes you just gotta go back and re-read something, or maybe you missed a word, etc
+<PsycoXul>	and i dunno how to handle that sorta stuff with buffers heh
+<PsycoXul>	like nicely anyways
+<g003y>	you would need to define what going back means
+<g003y>	1 line or word at a time?
+<PsycoXul>	*shrug* i guess going backwards would probably be good going a whole line or so back per backwards press
+<PsycoXul>	the way i see it maybe as far as the interface is in autoscrolling the - decreases speed and + increases it, and then play/pause does just that, and in pause mode -/+ might jump backwards/forwards a line.. or something
+<Bagder>	not a bad idea
+<g003y>	that could work
+<Bagder>	ok, should it just output one word at a time, or try to "fill up" ?
+<PsycoXul>	well i think it should try to fill at least 1 line...
+<Bagder>	and 2 if there's a single word that is >11 letters?
+<PsycoXul>	for book purposes i don't really see the need for filling both lines.. i played with that a bit and it didn't really improve readability
+<g003y>	gotta idle
+<PsycoXul>	yeah
+<PsycoXul>	the 2nd line could also display something like i dunno possition or some useful thing most of the time, and a long-word wrap around like you said would probably be good 
+<Bagder>	true
+<PsycoXul>	bookmarking could probably be just storing an offset somewhere.. like maybe a similarly named file that you could then select to go to its stored spot in the text file or something? ...
+<Bagder>	yes
+<PsycoXul>	but i suppose thats gotta wait for writing heh
+<Bagder>	:-)
+<PsycoXul>	so should the buffer be a fixed size or maybe scale with scrollspeed or something?
+<Bagder>	fixed probably easiest and probably good enough
+*	Bagder has an embryo now
+<PsycoXul>	wow
+<Bagder>	ok, it works a little now
+<Bagder>	I added it to CVS
+<Bagder>	it isn't actually used yet though
+<Bagder>	night
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+<g003y>	bagder has an embryo? interesting.
+<PsycoXul>	hehe
+<g003y>	I idle for a little while and you guys get him pregnant?
+<PsycoXul>	yep
+<PsycoXul>	well you helped i think
+<g003y>	hahaha
+<g003y>	I'm not paying child support.  I was tricked :D
+<PsycoXul>	hehe
+<PsycoXul>	but hey its cool
+<PsycoXul>	textshow.c
+<g003y>	did you get it working?
+<PsycoXul>	i haven't tried it
+<PsycoXul>	just looked at it for the first time a second ago
+<PsycoXul>	heh
+<PsycoXul>	looks like much cleaner code than anything i've tried to do heh
+<g003y>	heh
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+<Lear>	Hi, gave a rockbox nightly build a test spin. Now, how do I turn it off? :)
+<Hadaka>	plug the archos into the computer, then turn it on and then remove the file
+<Hadaka>	optionally copy in a normal firmware from archos if you don't want to use the flashrom one
+<Lear>	To turn it on, I need to turn it off first... That's the problem. And nothing happens when I plug in the USB cable.
+<Hadaka>	err, unplug the charger cable
+<Hadaka>	and then hold the off button for a second or two
+<Hadaka>	then plug in the USB cable (not the charger cable)
+<Hadaka>	make sure that the USB cable is plugged in to the computer as well
+<Hadaka>	and then turn it on
+<Hadaka>	it should go into the USB mode
+<Hadaka>	and after that you can plug in the charger cabel
+<Lear>	ah, so the charger cable caused the problem. not very obvious, imho. :)
+<Hadaka>	well yes
+<Hadaka>	the problem being that the charger cable forces the jukebox to be on - so the hard power off doesn't work
+<Hadaka>	I found out that way before I got into rockbox - but someone should write something about that on the rockbox site
+<Hadaka>	like "How do I uninstall?"
+<Lear>	yeah, typical FAQ stuff.
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+<elinenbe2>	is anyone here?
+<Lear>	yep
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+<elinenbe>	again, is anyone here.
+<Lear>	elinebe: guess you don't hear me then :)
+<elinenbe>	ah...
+<elinenbe>	by any chance do you have the win32 recorder dimulator compiled?
+<Lear>	nope, just tried rockbox today. :)
+<elinenbe>	oh... ok
+<Lear>	and I have a studio...
+<elinenbe>	thanks anyway
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+<elinenbe>	there seems to be some sort of bug with lcd_fillrect() at least it does not seem to work for me properly. (This is on the recorder)  I get the LED light blinking.
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+<myshkin>	c'est moi, adam, gidday
+*	myshkin quaffs a Jolt cola
+<myshkin>	:P
+<webmind_>	what?
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+<green_>	the h/d on my jukebox 6000 is messed up
+<green_>	I got a h/d disk error while using it yesterday
+<green_>	Neither Windows nor Linux can mount it.
+<green_>	I thought I would just try reformating it...
+<green_>	..but I'm not sure how.
+<elinenbe>	if you cant mount it, then it will be quite hard to format it!
+<green_>	I figured it out.
+<green_>	mkfs.msdos -F 32 /dev/sdc1
+<green_>	I was missing the "-F 32" part.
+<green_>	It's playing mp3 files again... phew!
+<PsycoXul>	you sure the batteries weren't just low?
+<elinenbe>	PaycoXul: I am almost done with sokoban for the Rockbox  (recorder only!)
+<PsycoXul>	heh
+<PsycoXul>	well good for you, and the recorder :p
+<elinenbe>	you know that game?
+<PsycoXul>	i've heard of it, i don't recall what it is though
+<elinenbe>	finished my first beta
+<green_>	hmmm - when I copy my files from Linux to mounted jukebox file names get truncated to 8.3.  How do you avoid this/
+<green_>	?
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+<g003y>	I must keep missing Zagor this weekend
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+<PsycoXul>	green_: are you mounting it as vfat or msdos?
+<elinenbe>	anyone who has a recorder can now plasy sokoban on it :)
+<elinenbe>	s/plasy/play
+<green_>	PsycoXul: msdos
+<green_>	should I use vfat?
+<green_>	I just tried vfat.  Much better!
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+<elinenbe>	edx!!!
+<elinenbe>	hey there.
+<elinenbe>	I need some helps
+<elinenbe>	can you send me a compiled win32 simulator?  For some reason I can not get it to compile using nmake.
+<edx>	..
+<edx>	why not (whats the error it gives you?)
+<elinenbe>	my msvc is messed up.
+<elinenbe>	it is nothing wrong with your package.
+<edx>	it might not work at all hehe
+<edx>	recorder or player compilation
+<elinenbe>	I just made a sokoban clone for the rockbox, and it is kind of a pain loading it onto the AJBR every time.
+<elinenbe>	I need both to tell you the truth
+<edx>	ok wait a second
+<elinenbe>	you can either email or DCC
+<edx>	are you behind a firewall (or a server) or can i send files via irc?
+<elinenbe>	I am behind a firewall, but it should work :()
+<elinenbe>	:)
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+<edx>	i am sorry.. i had to kill mirc
+<elinenbe>	no problem.
+<edx>	do you get the request (if not i'll mail you)
+<elinenbe>	yeah I got the request, but I do not think the DCC is going to work
+<elinenbe>	just email them.
+<elinenbe>	that would be great
+<edx>	adress? :)
+<elinenbe>	elinenbe@umich.edu
+<edx>	there it goes... 256 kb if that is ok..
+<elinenbe>	no prob.
+<elinenbe>	that is great
+<elinenbe>	where are you located?
+<edx>	you did the sokoban :)
+<elinenbe>	yeah
+<edx>	Germany
+<elinenbe>	it is fun
+<edx>	has it been uploaded, yet?
+<elinenbe>	but you know what I just made it better.  I put a dealy on key presses.  It works more nicely
+<edx>	where are you located?
+<elinenbe>	s/dealy/delay
+<elinenbe>	Ann Arbor, MI, USA
+<elinenbe>	and I can only have 4 levels. if I have more then 4 leves I get complie errors.
+<edx>	i dont know sokoban... is it integratet into the source yet?
+<elinenbe>	no, but you can get it at my www page.
+<edx>	what's the site's address?
+<ironi>	heh i just used PalmVNC
+<ironi>	cool stuff =)
+<elinenbe>	that is a cool program
+<elinenbe>	do you have a palm phone?
+<ironi>	but its sooo slow
+<ironi>	no i dont
+<edx>	no i dont.. i have used vnc tho
+<ironi>	i have aplain old palm III
+<elinenbe>	www.umich.edu/~elinenbe/ajbrec.ajz
+<elinenbe>	how do I use the recorder?
+<edx>	yup
+<elinenbe>	the simulator I mean
+<elinenbe>	how does it load the firmware?
+<edx>	the firmware is compiled into it
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+<elinenbe>	oh
+<ironi>	but even through GPRS it's way too slow
+<elinenbe>	hey g003y
+<edx>	i can make a compilation with your sokoba if you have source where a main function exists
+<g003y>	heya
+<edx>	sokoban...
+<edx>	hi
+<g003y>	see you got your clone working.
+<g003y>	unfortunately I don't have a recorder :(
+<elinenbe>	dont worry about it I will get it into the CVS
+<elinenbe>	do you have CVS access?
+<g003y>	only anonymous still
+<g003y>	I contacted Zagor, but haven't heard back
+<edx>	hmm i'll compile sokoban for the simulator.. :)
+<ironi>	what's up with this clone?
+<g003y>	it works :D
+<elinenbe>	I just made a sokoban clone for the recorder.
+<g003y>	I think...
+<edx>	now i know what sokoban is.. damn that rocks
+<edx>	i compiled a win32 sim with it
+<edx>	interested anyone? :)
+<edx>	i'll put it on my webserver and post the address in the mailing list lol
+<elinenbe>	well, the sokoban is only 4 levels.  I could not make it more.
+<elinenbe>	something about confliction addresses.
+<edx>	hmm
+<edx>	i like it very much
+<edx>	it's a cool game! :) great design
+<edx>	http://codeforce.d2g.com/rockbox/sokoban(win32sim).exe
+<edx>	unforutnalely it doesnt seem to work at the moment
+<edx>	(the address i mean)
+<edx>	i have to leave now... good night
+<g003y>	see ya
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+<ironi>	well
+<ironi>	hm
+<ironi>	id love to make an arkanoid game for the player
+<g003y>	oh yeah
+<ironi>	but is i tpossible to control the dots?
+<g003y>	the player is not as flexible as the record that way
+<ironi>	or is it just possible to use symbols int he different squares
+<elinenbe>	you could possibly do something like arkanoid on the player
+<elinenbe>	it would be much harder though
+<g003y>	yup
+<ironi>	so the player display only accepts symbols?
+<ironi>	i.e. i cant control every one of the ....lets say 9 dots in every char
+<ironi>	separately
+<g003y>	only accepts a set of valid characters as defined in the characters table
+<g003y>	I believe
+<g003y>	it's not bitmap based like the recorder
+<g003y>	hence why all these cool little games are happening for the recorder
+<elinenbe>	well, the characters are 7x9 or something likee that -- rihgt?
+<g003y>	but the player mod can play mp3s at least :D
+<g003y>	soemthing like that... I'd have to look at the code
+<elinenbe>	that is true, but soon so will the recorder.
+<g003y>	yeah anyword on that ?
+<elinenbe>	nothing definitly
+<g003y>	too bad archos didn't use the same chipsets.  it would probably have it already then
+<Hadaka>	I think I might be making a demo on a recorder for a party that's sometime next year
+<elinenbe>	go for it.  That would be great.
+<elinenbe>	I think I am going to do a vector engine.
+<g003y>	asteroids !
+<g003y>	:D
+<elinenbe>	then you would have to do sin tables and stuff like that.
+<elinenbe>	maybe I won't do that...
+<g003y>	heheheheheehe
+<g003y>	starts to sound more like work than fun eh?
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+<g003y>	netsplit
+<g003y>	love those.  they are like virtual roller coaster rides :D
+<ironi>	hehe
+<ironi>	well i dont get very excited though :-P
+<g003y>	heheh
+<g003y>	w00t...  my stuff almost works :D
+<g003y>	just a bit of tweaking on the string parsing and menu exit & done
+<ironi>	what is it that you are doing?
+<g003y>	making a user selectable mp3 play display
+<g003y>	the mod right now only does id3
+<g003y>	I'm adding a couple more options to this
+<g003y>	one is scroll the filename ala classic firmware
+<g003y>	and two is more of a path parsing to pull out relevant information
+<g003y>	as well as maintain the option of id3 tag display
+<ironi>	is that just for recorder?
+<g003y>	no player
+<g003y>	I only have a player right now
+<ironi>	great
+<ironi>	i have player
+<g003y>	I may leave the recorder implementation up to someone else :D
+<ironi>	so can you pleas emake the recation on click when scrolling a bit delayed
+<g003y>	plus I will have to integrate this with playlist functionality once it's done
+<ironi>	as it is now its way too fast
+<ironi>	reaction
+<ironi>	i'd love to try what you have done
+<ironi>	to give you feedback
+<g003y>	I'm sure it could be tweaked, but I don't have ssh access to the tree did
+<g003y>	yeah I'll post it 
+<g003y>	I just have to get the menu exit right.
+<ironi>	i haven't set up a compile environment, really
+<ironi>	:P
+<ironi>	maybe i should
+<g003y>	are you on win32?
+<ironi>	yup
+<g003y>	then it's as easy as Zagor's directions 
+<g003y>	so long as you install cygwin
+<ironi>	i do have a linux box, but it's just 486 dx4/100
+<ironi>	maybe too slow
+<g003y>	hahaha... wow been awhile since I've seen one of those
+<ironi>	I was considering vmware
+<g003y>	depends on how fast you want your mod file :D
+<g003y>	anyway I'm compiling on win32/cygwin myself
+<ironi>	i have it installed already
+<ironi>	yeah? well isnt it so much more convenient to do it in linux?
+<g003y>	it doesn't matter tome
+<g003y>	cygwin gives ya a bash shell
+<g003y>	from there it all feels the same
+<g003y>	works the same as well
+<ironi>	oh really
+<g003y>	you should have the same tools at your disposal as a linux install
+<ironi>	lemme see
+<g003y>	yup
+<ironi>	The new v0202 version now uses MinGW instead of Cygwin.
+<ironi>	should i get the new one then?
+<g003y>	huh?
+<g003y>	v0202 of what?
+<ironi>	gnush toolchain
+<g003y>	I don't use gnush toolchain
+<ironi>	but what then
+<g003y>	that is only another way to do it, but it was more difficult to setup IMO
+<ironi>	that is the instructions on the rockbox page
+<ironi>	ok tlel me what to do
+<ironi>	tell
+<g003y>	http://bjorn.haxx.se/rockbox/cross-gcc.html
+<g003y>	install cygwin
+<g003y>	then do that from the shell
+<ironi>	ok brb
+<g003y>	I belive edx is using the gnush
+<g003y>	toolkit
+<g003y>	elinenbe did it my way with success as well
+<g003y>	well really Zagor's way :D
+<ironi>	cygwin installer is a mess
+<g003y>	it's not that bad.
+<g003y>	you just have to select things ala the package menu
+<ironi>	well
+<ironi>	i dont knwo what i need
+<ironi>	now it froze
+<g003y>	ouch
+<ironi>	i dont understand a thing from the packae install
+<ironi>	prev curr exp
+<ironi>	previous current expected?
+<ironi>	but what?
+<g003y>	I go with current myself
+<g003y>	exp probably is experimental
+<ironi>	can i actually install X here?
+<ironi>	and run it under iwndows
+<g003y>	IDK... I don't do X
+<g003y>	I doubt it though
+<ironi>	ok
+<ironi>	well it wa sin the options
+<ironi>	it seems like one can install a complete linux system to run under windows
+<g003y>	well maybe you can, but I've never tried it nor have I known anyone to do it that wayy
+<ironi>	ok
+<ironi>	well ill skip it for now
+<g003y>	good choice :D
+<ironi>	oh i need ot get binutils and stuff
+<g003y>	you do all that after you install cgywin to get it updated
+<g003y>	you'll need to recompile gcc per his directions on the website.
+<g003y>	which means you will need gcc & make and all that installed
+<g003y>	you can get the tarballs for the stuff from Gnu.
+<ironi>	ok cygwin instaslled
+<ironi>	so now what
+<ironi>	update it?
+<g003y>	follow the directions on the url I posted
+<ironi>	wooo
+<ironi>	this is soo cool
+<g003y>	yeah *nix shell on win32 :).  spooky even.
+<ironi>	well it seems terribly slow though
+<g003y>	what is terribly slow?
+<ironi>	or this is maybe a very old version of wget
+<g003y>	no probs here
+<g003y>	though I just went to the gnu site, and fetched it with IE.  Saved it to the proper directory and extracted it all from the cygwin shell
+<ironi>	oh really
+<g003y>	yeha
+<ironi>	yeah i guess that can be done hehe
+<g003y>	you got unixy power and ease of IE available to you :D
+<ironi>	then i can use d/l accelerator
+<ironi>	way faster
+<g003y>	sure whatever floats your boat
+<g003y>	don't attempt to extract the tarballs with winzip though.  It's lame about it all
+<g003y>	do it the way the website shows, but from the cygwin shell so you get all the tools you need.
+<ironi>	i see
+<ironi>	well im familiar with linux
+<g003y>	alright then you should be ok
+<ironi>	i dont like the look of this bash shell
+<ironi>	i want directory
+<g003y>	well then set it up the way you want it :D
+<ironi>	heh actually never done that
+<ironi>	well llook into it later
+<ironi>	gdb i s jsut for remote debugging right?
+<g003y>	yeah 
+<g003y>	I didn't set that up
+<ironi>	k
+<g003y>	I do it the painful way
+<ironi>	compile an dcopy to the archos?
+<ironi>	and
+<g003y>	yup :D
+<g003y>	like the old cobol days
+<ironi>	but is remote debugging possible in window stoo?
+<g003y>	IDK
+<g003y>	probably
+<ironi>	cc not found
+<g003y>	change CC=cc to CC=gcc in the makefile
+<ironi>	k
+<ironi>	ah
+<ironi>	text editor
+<ironi>	none
+<g003y>	vi
+<g003y>	not there?
+<ironi>	no :/
+<g003y>	stupid cygwin
+<g003y>	you should be able to go back and install that package
+<ironi>	ill just use my win text editor
+<g003y>	that shoudl workd
+<ironi>	yup
+<ironi>	so i change it to gcc and try configure again
+<g003y>	yeah
+<ironi>	well i didnt have gcc either
+<g003y>	oh well install it :D
+<g003y>	you need a current rev to get yourself started
+<ironi>	i tell you, cygwin installer suxx
+<g003y>	I don't like the package selection either
+<g003y>	but once it's installed it works
+<ironi>	well yes
+<ironi>	it owuld be coolt with an apt-like system heh
+<ironi>	cyg-get gcc
+<ironi>	=)
+<g003y>	yes
+<g003y>	that would be nice
+<ironi>	wouldnt be too har dot accomplish sinc eit already is installing by downloading packages
+<ironi>	prolly possible to fix in a perl script
+<g003y>	does it have one once you install the main portion of cygwin?
+<g003y>	I've never seen one, but it might exist :D
+<ironi>	im trying aain
+<ironi>	again
+<g003y>	and again :D
+<ironi>	it seems to be able to configure now
+<ironi>	but its acting like a p133 or something
+<g003y>	eww
+<ironi>	http://xfree86.cygwin.com/screenshots/cygwin-xfree86-wmaker.png
+<ironi>	i have to try X under cygwin
+<ironi>	prolly slow
+<g003y>	probably
+<g003y>	but it is kind of funny
+<ironi>	eyeah
+<ironi>	well its kinda stupid when one looks at vmware
+<ironi>	i wish there was a open source vmware clone
+<ironi>	u still there g003y
+<ironi>	damn
+<ironi>	my cygwin dir is 300 mb now
+<ironi>	that sucls
+<adi|home>	anyone know off hand who commited bounce.[ch]?
+<adi|home>	nm
+<ironi>	http://www.spiegel.de/img/0%2c1020%2c190869%2c00.jpg
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+<ivana-87->	| PS | -| PS |
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+<g003y>	was that random or just a bot?
+<g003y>	:D
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+<dwihno>	Yay, sokoban rules :D
+-->	myshkin (~adam@c-24-118-162-179.mn.client2.attbi.com) has joined #rockbox
+<myshkin>	lo
+*	myshkin notes twin is cool :p
+<myshkin>	a good escape from lame X11
+<dwihno>	is it good? :)
+<dwihno>	I never tried it, I've always sticked to screen
+<myshkin>	heh
+<myshkin>	it's funky
+<myshkin>	I like it...
+<myshkin>	I still use screen ;p
+<dwihno>	I'll try to compile it and test it out
+<myshkin>	heh
+<myshkin>	using debian?
+<myshkin>	if so, there is a decent package for it.
+<myshkin>	I compiled my own, out of sheer boredom
+*	myshkin quaffs a jolt cola
+<myshkin>	oh yeah, this is me, adam, or kitsune, or whatever
+<myshkin>	I've settled on this name, for now ;)
+<dwihno>	mkay
+<myshkin>	twsetroot == funny, I've got my ascii art motd as a 'background'
+<dwihno>	yay
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+<adi|dads>	anyone around or everyone sleeping?
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+<Bagder>	moo
+<dwihno>	YIKES!
+*	dwihno jumps high
+*	dwihno ends up sitting in a tree
+<Bagder>	:-)
+<dwihno>	Did you enjoy the weekend?
+<Bagder>	I certainly did
+<Bagder>	you?
+<dwihno>	Hmm. I spent the saturday working on a project, and yesterday I did my laundry and cleaned my appartment ;)
+<dwihno>	I guess there are funnier things to do, but at least, it's done.
+<dwihno>	"I brännvin ska du bada, i Bacchi lada"
+<Bagder>	the build is.... *red*
+<dwihno>	:O
+<dwihno>	OH MY GOOOOD! :(
+<dwihno>	Call in the  TASK FORCE!
+*	Bagder dials 911
+*	dwihno dials 1-800-BAGDER
+<dwihno>	:D
+*	dwihno dials 1-800-ZAGOR
+*	dwihno dials 1-800-LINUS
+<dwihno>	Hmm, "numret du ringer har flyttat, men saknar referens" :)
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+<dwihno>	Good morning Linus, welcome back to the wonderful world of ROCKBOX! :D
+<Linus>	Thank you! :-)
+<Bagder>	hey Linus
+<Bagder>	Linus: I don't really undertand the current compile-status link breakage, can you have a look at it?
+<elinenbe>	hello there
+<Bagder>	morning elinenbe
+<Linus>	It means that the pad section overlaps the rodata section
+<Linus>	the pad section is located at an absolute address
+<Bagder>	but what is the pad section for?
+<Linus>	remove it
+<elinenbe>	would it be possible to get CVS access?
+<Linus>	the pad section is for ....padding...
+<Linus>	you know the minimum size thing
+<Bagder>	padding what?
+<Bagder>	aaah
+<Linus>	the archos firmware doesn't load very small .mod files
+<elinenbe>	2:30 am -- US vs. Mexico!  I am holding out here.
+<Linus>	DERBY!
+<elinenbe>	hey, what is up with fillrect()  -- I tried to use this on the recorder, and it just gave me a blinking led light
+<Linus>	Oh, we accidentally misspelled the lcd_blink() function.
+<Linus>	Sorry, couldn't resist... :-)
+*	dwihno loves the sokoban gokomuku game! :D
+<Bagder>	elinenbe: mail your sf account user name to Björn to get cvs access
+<Linus>	elinenbe: no text on screen?
+<elinenbe>	Badger: will do.
+<elinenbe>	Linus: what do you mean no text on screen?
+<elinenbe>	I was just making that little sokoban game, and I attempted to use fill_rect() (something like that) and it never worked properly.
+<Bagder>	elinenbe: did you try to fill a big rectangle?
+<elinenbe>	not at all..
+<Linus>	elinenbe: I mean "no error message?"
+<elinenbe>	maybe 4x4 pixels
+<Bagder>	oh
+<elinenbe>	oh.  yeah there was NO error message
+<Bagder>	btw, I think I've broken lcd_invertrect()
+<Bagder>	whatever that function is supposed to be good for
+<elinenbe>	that worked in my game.  I used it for the winning screen
+<elinenbe>	it gives a nice flash effect
+<Bagder>	well, were you using the cvs sources?
+<elinenbe>	no -- yesterdays tarball
+<Bagder>	ok
+<Bagder>	I modified the behavior on saturday
+<elinenbe>	Badger: what happened to Sweden in the Cup?
+<Bagder>	lost against Senegal
+<Bagder>	yesterday
+<dwihno>	yeah :(
+<dwihno>	Such a sad moment!
+<Linus>	Bagder: only the recorder has reached the minimum size
+<Bagder>	oh
+<Bagder>	eh
+<dwihno>	Andersson did a really cool circus number trying to score
+<Bagder>	can we make it conditional somehow?
+<Linus>	I don't think so, we may need two lds files
+<Bagder>	or can we have multiple -T options perhaps?
+<Linus>	multiple?
+<Bagder>	I hate having two files almost identical
+<Bagder>	would be better if the pad thing could be included with a second -T optin
+<elinenbe>	When I tried to compile more levels into the sokoban game, it gave me an error -- is there a maximum size for variables or something like that?
+<Bagder>	elinenbe: we're fixing that just noww
+<elinenbe>	oh great.  that is nice.
+<Linus>	elinenbe: quick fix: cvs update firmware/app.lds
+<Bagder>	I made a separate lds file now
+<Bagder>	elinenbe: you did notice your added files make the build go yellow? ;-)
+<elinenbe>	yeah -- there was a sprintf
+<elinenbe>	or something like that.  I will fix it.
+<Bagder>	have Björn add you to the dev team first, then you can do it yourself with cvs
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+<Bagder>	hey green
+*	Bagder runs off to fill up more coffee
+<elinenbe>	yeah I will do that.
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+<Bagder>	hey ho Z
+<Zagor>	hey
+---	Received a CTCP VERSION from l_9_l (to #rockbox)
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+*	Bagder hms
+<Bagder>	he comes here CTCP-versioning us all and then leaves...
+<Zagor>	looking for vulns, no doubt
+<Bagder>	indeed
+<dwihno>	damn those h4x0rs
+<Zagor>	oooh, sokoban :)
+*	Zagor is reading his mail
+<dwihno>	Zagor: I'm WAAAAY ahead of you! :D
+<Bagder>	you absent person ;-)
+<Zagor>	yeah, i was /away this weekend
+<Bagder>	Zagor: you need to add elinenbe to the sf project so that he can fix the yellow build ;-)
+<Zagor>	righty, what's his sf username?
+<Bagder>	elinenbe: booo! here?
+<Zagor>	two klez mails for the list blocked already
+<Bagder>	yeah, but one true spam got through... :-/
+<Zagor>	yup
+<Bagder>	cought in my filter though ;-)
+<Bagder>	caught
+<Bagder>	X-Spam-Because: subject matched regex "[A-Z0-9]+.*[A-Z]{3,}.*[A-Z]{5,}.*[A-Z]{3,}"
+<Bagder>	!!
+<dwihno>	the range {3,} means unlimited?
+<Bagder>	3 to to unlimited, yes
+<dwihno>	mkay
+*	dwihno just learned something new
+*	dwihno fixes some code rightaway ;D
+<Bagder>	haha
+<dwihno>	:)
+<Bagder>	Zagor: we should evaluate SpamAssasin for filtering the list
+<Zagor>	have you looked at it?
+<Bagder>	no, but I've read a bunch of good things about it
+<Bagder>	seems to be about the same concept like my blockspam
+<Bagder>	but better implemented
+<Zagor>	ok
+<dwihno>	as long as it has 50+ command line options, it ruulez ;)
+<dwihno>	software with less = bad :)
+<Bagder>	curl --help | grep - -- | wc -l
+<Bagder>	79
+<Bagder>	:-)
+<dwihno>	:D
+<Zagor>	have any of you guys had a problem starting the archos firmware once you've ran rockbox?
+<Bagder>	nope
+<Zagor>	some people in the yahoo list indicates problems of that kind
+<elinenbe>	I am hgere 
+<elinenbe>	I am here
+<elinenbe>	I just watched USA beat Mexico 2-0!!!!
+<Bagder>	elinenbe: tell Zagor your sf account name
+<Zagor>	hey, elinenbe. what's your sf name?
+<elinenbe>	I am most positive it is elinenbe
+<Zagor>	ok
+<Linus>	I have had the restart problem in my recorder
+<Linus>	it turns out that the extension of the firmware has a meaning
+<Bagder>	how did you solve it?
+<Linus>	The only firmware file on my recorder was ajbrec.ejz
+<Zagor>	elinenbe: you're added
+<elinenbe>	thanks.  what is the meaning of the firmware extension?
+<Linus>	i copied it to ajbrec_orig.ejz and copied the new ajbrec.ajz to the HD
+<Linus>	worked OK
+<Bagder>	yes, that .ejz file is mysterious
+<Linus>	then i wanted to go back to the original
+<Linus>	so i removed the ajbrec.ajz and copied the ajbrec_orig.ejz to ajbrec.ejz
+<Linus>	no go. it booted from the ROM
+<Linus>	i renamed ajbrec.ejz to ajbrec.ajz. no go
+<Linus>	i had to download a new ajbrec.ajz from archos web site
+<Linus>	really strange
+<Bagder>	no, .ejz and .ajz are not the same kinds of files
+<Bagder>	they look very different
+<Zagor>	interesting
+<Zagor>	i didn't know that
+<Linus>	i wonder what the difference is
+<Zagor>	do any of you have an .ejz file we can look at?
+<Bagder>	I do
+<Linus>	maybe it is descrambled?
+<Bagder>	my thoughts too
+<Bagder>	but there's no strings at all visisble for example
+<elinenbe>	Linus: what is the status of audio on the recorder?
+<Zagor>	but then why doesn't it work when you replace it?
+<Bagder>	they are also differently sized
+<Bagder>	-rwxr-xr-x   1 daniel   daniel     111130 Apr  8 23:48 AJBREC.ajz
+<Bagder>	-rwxr-xr-x   1 daniel   daniel     136938 Apr  8 23:48 ajbrec.ejz
+<Zagor>	it sure looks unscrambled
+<Linus>	elinenbe: patience, Grasshopper...
+<dwihno>	No status at all ? :-)
+<Zagor>	at least the vector table appears intact
+*	dwihno is tiny grasshopper too
+<Linus>	I have I2C contact with the chip.
+<elinenbe>	Grasshopper?
+<Zagor>	nah, the vector table is not right
+<Linus>	elinenbe: A line from a kung-fu TV series. I have forgotten its' name.
+<Bagder>	Zagor: did you notice the "ARCH" text in the beginning?
+<dwihno>	it's always grasshoppers in the kung-fu movies
+<Zagor>	yes
+<dwihno>	Zagor is grasshopper too
+<elinenbe>	brb
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+<Bagder>	need... more... coffee
+<Linus>	Actually, the name of the TV series _is_ "Kung Fu".
+<Linus>	The apprentice is called Caine, and his master is called Master Kan or something
+<Linus>	A real classic
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+<Zagor>	brb
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+<ironi>	Zagor
+<Zagor>	mm?
+<ironi>	hi! =)
+<Zagor>	ah :)
+<Bagder>	Zagor: checked that FAT bug report yet?
+<Zagor>	nope, will do
+<Zagor>	just got a core when shuffling the playlist...
+<Bagder>	oh
+<Zagor>	deep in X
+<Bagder>	hua
+---	Linus is now known as Linus|lunch
+<Zagor>	the ATA bug report is wrong
+<Bagder>	oh
+<Zagor>	we do use 'startsector', only not where he thought it would be
+<Zagor>	he had to make the change because he disabled caching
+<Bagder>	well, fine then ;-)
+<ironi>	i built the compiling ewnvironment using cygwin
+<ironi>	it worked fine
+<Bagder>	neato
+<Bagder>	no include warnings?
+<Bagder>	did you build with newlib or not?
+<ironi>	well m y point was that cygwin just messed up and i deleted it
+<ironi>	cause it sucks.
+<ironi>	but it's acool idea.
+<ironi>	now im going for vmware instead.
+<ironi>	=)
+<Bagder>	heh
+<ironi>	real linux :-P
+<ironi>	its kinda cool that you can assign a iso image as the cdrom for the virtual machine
+<Bagder>	It Works Better (tm)
+<ironi>	vmware in general impresses me a lot.
+<Bagder>	its cool enough
+<ironi>	something else taht is cool is PalmVNC
+<ironi>	with the scaling-enabled VNC server
+<ironi>	you can even get the desktop scaled to fit on the pal m screen, heh
+<ironi>	people come up with the neatest things
+<Bagder>	:-)
+<Zagor>	hmm, should FAT shortnames be all uppercase or all lowercase?
+<Bagder>	no idea
+<Bagder>	I like lowercase better of course
+<Zagor>	I just created "allfiles.m3u" and it became all uppercase and thus not recognized as a playlist :)
+<Bagder>	hehe
+<Bagder>	not case insensitive yet, huh? ;-)
+<Zagor>	btw, I think we should jump through some hoops to support winamp-generated playlists. i.e. handle backslash, no preceding slash and also disk names.
+<Bagder>	well
+<Bagder>	the paths will be wrong anyway, won't they?
+<Zagor>	why?
+<Bagder>	because winamp will use the full path to the tracks
+<Bagder>	and we won't use the same paths
+<Bagder>	or maybe we will
+<Bagder>	if we cut off the disk name
+<Zagor>	yeah, but the archos is a new disk (F: for example) so the path will be ok
+<Zagor>	exactly
+<Bagder>	good point
+<Bagder>	so yes, we should convert slashes and ignore disk names
+<Bagder>	I made it ignore #-lines the other day
+<Zagor>	good
+<Zagor>	for some reason, winamp creates one # line for every file when creating a new list. there's no info on the line, just the filename...
+<Bagder>	it supposedly can store time info etc there
+<Bagder>	song lengths
+<Zagor>	i'll make them lowercase
+<Zagor>	umm, or maybe not. lowercasing CP437 is not so fun...
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+<calpefrosch>	hi
+<Bagder>	hi calpefrosch
+<Zagor>	heyyy, froggie! :)
+<calpefrosch>	the list of users has grown
+<calpefrosch>	since I went in holidays
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+<Zagor>	Bagder: what is the idea with this code:
+<Zagor>	      if('/' == now_playing[1])
+<Zagor>	          return &now_playing[1];
+<Zagor>	when will the second character be a slash?
+<Bagder>	to prevent two initial slashes
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+<Bagder>	it usually is
+<Zagor>	usually?
+<Bagder>	if the file name was an absolute path
+<Bagder>	it loads the file name from position 1
+<Bagder>	s/from/at
+<Zagor>	ah, yes. missed that.
+<Bagder>	we might not want that safety precautions
+<Zagor>	why not?
+<Bagder>	its just a matter of where to draw the line
+<Bagder>	adding a preceeding slash will hardly make us find the right file anyway
+<Bagder>	if the playlist uses relative paths
+<Zagor>	in my test case it would work, so I'd say it has a value
+<Bagder>	so leave it
+<Bagder>	I mean, leave it in there
+<Zagor>	yes
+<Zagor>	this should make most winamp playlists work
+<Linus>	I just tried the PLAY key in the recorder. It doesn't work. Why?
+<Zagor>	because we now only check for the RIGHT key. it was part of the #ifdef cleanup.
+<Zagor>	yes, it's wrong :(
+<Zagor>	:)
+<Zagor>	uh, my recorder menu key stopped working???
+<Zagor>	sim
+<Zagor>	bah, my silly X doesn't send the events!
+<ironi>	heh
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+<Bagder>	yoyo?
+<Bagder>	:-)
+<Linus>	Zagor: it sucks to have a modem, right? :-)
+<Zagor>	yeah, trying to get a new kernel on this damn redhat box but the initrd junk barfs on me
+<Zagor>	is there a point to sokoban.c having #ifdef HAVE_LCD_BITMAP around the whole code?
+<Zagor>	i'm removing it
+<Bagder>	no point
+*	Zagor is listening to whole-disk random playback. And smiles.
+<Bagder>	I think g003y said he couldn't make playlist work this weekend
+<Bagder>	was that the play button not doing right?
+<Zagor>	yeah, some ppl on yahoo said that too. i think it was probably us being picky about playlist formwat
+<Zagor>	that's fixed now
+<Bagder>	so you tried making a playlist with winamp and play it yet?
+<Zagor>	yep, that's what I'm playing now
+<Bagder>	ok
+<Bagder>	coolio
+<Bagder>	wow, going towards a green build again
+<Zagor>	and having shuffle as an option makes a lot more sense, I think
+<dwihno>	yay
+<Bagder>	Zagor: it does
+<Bagder>	however, now you can't re-shuffle, can you?
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+<alkorr>	hi !
+<Zagor>	just start the list again
+<Bagder>	Zagor: so it re-seeds on playlist load?
+<Bagder>	hi alan
+<alkorr>	i'm learning now that we don' need newlib any longer to compile rockbox :)
+<Zagor>	Bagder: yes, using current_tick
+<Bagder>	ok
+<Bagder>	we should remake the makefiles to use the include files I added
+<Zagor>	Linus: can I get my player-new some day, for testing?
+<Zagor>	hmm, what happens if a playlist file isn't found?
+<Zagor>	it stops
+<Bagder>	it won't be loaded ;-P
+<alkorr>	in fact, we should have keep includes but just change add our own headers for non-simulator part
+<alkorr>	but never mind
+<alkorr>	:)
+<Bagder>	I'll rebuild my gcc without newlib
+<alkorr>	what ? "permission denied" ???
+<Bagder>	?
+<Zagor>	hehe, the scroll is quite slow while loading mp3 data :)
+<alkorr>	i cannot access cvs !?
+<Linus>	Zagor: no way. I sold it. :-)
+<alkorr>	cvs -z9 update -P (in directory E:\rockbox\apps\)
+<alkorr>	Permission denied, please try again.
+<alkorr>	Permission denied, please try again.
+<alkorr>	Permission denied (publickey,password,keyboard-interactive).
+<Zagor>	strange
+<Bagder>	I haven't had any problems
+<alkorr>	i try again
+<Bagder>	caps lock? :-)
+<alkorr>	aahh good idea
+<alkorr>	nope, i'm really in trouble
+<Bagder>	hey, did you check the "bounce" screen? ;-)
+<alkorr>	"bounce" ?
+<Bagder>	I had a little time over this weekend... hehe
+<Bagder>	got to excercise the lcd api a bit
+<Zagor>	Linus: boohoo! how about some chicken lunch tomorrow?
+<Bagder>	damned gcc
+<alkorr>	i'm trying to login sourceforge.net to check
+<Linus>	Zagor: great idea! 11:30?
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+<Bagder>	/tmp/ccR7qwZa.s: Assembler messages:
+<Bagder>	/tmp/ccR7qwZa.s:2: Error: Rest of line ignored. First ignored character is `!'.
+<Bagder>	/tmp/ccR7qwZa.s:3: Error: Rest of line ignored. First ignored character is `!'.
+<Bagder>	/tmp/ccR7qwZa.s:4: Error: Rest of line ignored. First ignored character is `!'.
+<Bagder>	fun huh?
+<Bagder>	:-/
+<alkorr>	what are the lines ?
+<Bagder>	no idea, the file is generated and then removed when I wanna check it out
+<Bagder>	/tmp/ccR7qwZa.s:47: Error: no such 386 instruction: `rotcl'
+<alkorr>	-save-temp
+<alkorr>	ahahaha
+<Bagder>	it seems to be a confusion to which cpu it is for
+<alkorr>	386 !?
+<Bagder>	yeah
+<Bagder>	--target=sh-elf
+<alkorr>	ok i know
+<alkorr>	you are calling the bad 'as'
+<Bagder>	"the bad as" ?
+<alkorr>	it must be 'sh-elf-as'
+<alkorr>	yes it seems it calls not the right 'as' (assembler)
+<Bagder>	all I do is invoke configure
+<Bagder>	and then make
+<alkorr>	oh you mean it doesn't come from the rockbox source ?
+<Bagder>	this is gcc
+<Bagder>	3.0.3
+<Bagder>	I'm trying to build a cross compiler without newlib
+<alkorr>	when you compile gcc 3.0.3 ? huh... i don't remember to have the same error...
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+<alkorr>	well i compile gcc 3.0.3 but i fail to compile newlib, even when i asked not to add it
+<alkorr>	compiled
+<alkorr>	but as it compiled gcc before
+<alkorr>	well i just make a 'make install' and it looks as if working
+<Zagor>	does anyone know any unfixed bugs right now?
+*	Bagder shakes his head
+<Bagder>	thinking og 1.1 release?
+<Bagder>	of
+<Zagor>	yes
+<alkorr>	normally i followed the instructions given by Linus
+<Zagor>	it's been over two weeks
+<Bagder>	yeah, its time
+<Zagor>	since 1.0 and over one week since we met the roadmap for 1.1
+<alkorr>	and my only problem came from newlib compilation, not during gcc
+<Bagder>	I'll sort it out
+<alkorr>	when you compile, just try to configure without any SH binary paths added in PATH
+<alkorr>	no it is stupid for me
+<alkorr>	it is the contrary
+<alkorr>	you must add the as,ld, etc. for SH target in PATH when configuring and compiling gcc
+<alkorr>	did you make it ?
+<Bagder>	yes
+<alkorr>	strange...
+<alkorr>	yes but for as or sh-elf-as ?
+<Bagder>	sh-elf-as is the SH versin, as is the native version
+<alkorr>	because i put the path where to find sh-elf-as
+<Bagder>	I have them all
+<alkorr>	weird...
+<Bagder>	I have a theory I'm trying out now
+<alkorr>	zagor: password for cvs is the same for sourceforge.net login ???
+<Zagor>	yes
+<alkorr>	OK 
+<alkorr>	I KNOW WHAT HAPPENS
+<alkorr>	I MUST INVERT CASE
+<alkorr>	IT IS BECAUSE I'VE GOT A new keyboard, very weird !!!!
+<Zagor>	Bagder: the ejz file, was it the one that came with your archos?
+<Bagder>	yes
+<alkorr>	aaahh i happen to get managed with downloading them. I was afraid. :/ 
+<alkorr>	ok try them. CU !
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+<Bagder>	hm, right
+<Bagder>	--prefix has to match the binutils path when I build gcc
+<Bagder>	Zagor: you ready to cut off the newlib headers?
+<Zagor>	i haven't looked at it in a while. are we there?
+<Bagder>	yes
+<Zagor>	excellent. i am ready
+<Bagder>	but I thought I'd install a newlib-less gcc too
+<Bagder>	so that I can see for myself
+*	Bagder installs
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+<Zagor>	yes, good idea
+<Bagder>	since elinbe and g003y both installed without newlib
+<Bagder>	they got include errors when compiling
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+<plmirc>	hi
+<Bagder>	hey ho plmirc
+<plmirc>	want to test something on a archos 10G ?
+<Bagder>	nothing in particular right now, I think, get the latest binary and play around and see if it works!
+<plmirc>	ata -2
+<plmirc>	with the last one
+<Bagder>	gosh!
+<plmirc>	the only one which work is the one that linus send me
+<Bagder>	hm
+<Bagder>	I thought we added Linus' check
+<plmirc>	me too
+<Bagder>	Zagor: any clues?
+<Zagor>	hmmm
+<Zagor>	odd
+<Zagor>	the check is added
+<Zagor>	where did linus go?
+<Bagder>	dunno
+<plmirc>	why isn't there a firmware for today about recorder version  ?
+<Zagor>	*someone* broke it...
+<plmirc>	the last one is for yesterday
+<Bagder>	plmirc: if you check the build status at the bottom, you can see the red boxes...
+<Zagor>	look further down on the page and you see that the recorder build failed in the 23:40 build
+<Bagder>	Zagor: with our own "libc" headers in include/ we could move a few dir.h and file.h etc protos into the "regular" header files
+<Zagor>	yup
+<plmirc>	i don't see red boxes only green at the 2002-06-17 2012:20:00 linse
+<plmirc>	i don't see red boxes only green at the 2002-06-17 2012:20:00 line
+<Zagor>	yes but the daily build is made at 06:00
+<Bagder>	04:00 GMT actually
+<Zagor>	right
+<plmirc>	so we have wait to 2 hours before have the daily build for recorder
+<Zagor>	we have to wait 14 hours for the next build
+<Zagor>	daily means "once per day". and that once is 04:00 GMT
+<plmirc>	hmm ok
+<plmirc>	and if one crash.. there is anything for the day
+<Zagor>	but you can grab my latest at bjorn.haxx.se/rockbox/recorder/ajbrec.ajz
+<plmirc>	oki
+<Zagor>	we make more frequent development builds, but there is little point in publishing them
+<Bagder>	uff
+<Bagder>	sim build died
+<Zagor>	I can imagine
+<plmirc>	ata -2
+<plmirc>	again ...    :'(
+<Zagor>	plmirc: ok
+<Bagder>	ok, it seems to work now
+<Bagder>	no newlib headers
+<Zagor>	nice
+<Bagder>	and the replacement ones are really small
+<Zagor>	i'm removing newlib from the gcc instructions, then
+<Bagder>	yep
+<Zagor>	do you specify --without-newlib or nothing at all?
+<Zagor>	when compiling gcc
+<Bagder>	nothing at all
+<Zagor>	ok
+<Zagor>	updated
+<Bagder>	dang
+<Bagder>	red builds red builds
+<Bagder>	ctype
+<Zagor>	booo!
+<Zagor>	we need ctype for strcasecmp later anyway
+<Bagder>	yeah
+<Zagor>	this shuffle playback rocks!
+<plmirc>	zagor : you want a retest it now ?
+<plmirc>	zagor : you want I retest it now ?
+<Zagor>	plmirc: no, i haven't done any changes. I need to speak to Linus first, to see what he had in the build he gave to you
+<plmirc>	hm ok
+<Zagor>	obviously, his code was not the same as he checked into cvs
+<plmirc>	visually...
+<Bagder>	Zagor: the copying file should be in FILES too, right?
+<Zagor>	yes
+<Bagder>	all green again
+<Zagor>	goodie
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+<edx>	hi
+<Bagder>	hi
+<Zagor>	ironi: what's your real name (for credits)
+<Bagder>	"Tome Cvitan" I guess
+<Zagor>	ok
+<Bagder>	he posted to the list once
+<Zagor>	ah
+<Zagor>	I'm listing three changes since 1.0: 
+<Zagor>	scrolling, playlist, shuffle
+<Zagor>	have we done anything else? :-)
+<Bagder>	not that is visible in the players
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+<dwihno>	Zagor: Any enlightenment regarding the LCD flickering?
+<Zagor>	no
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+<dwihno>	Really strange.
+<Zagor>	we'll be testing with some faster forms of scrolling later, that might solve it
+<Bagder>	we do *two* updates when we scroll one line
+<Zagor>	really?
+<Zagor>	that's bad
+<Bagder>	that's probably why
+<Bagder>	I'll make a breakpoint and check wherefrom
+<Zagor>	how do you get it to two? there's only one in scroll_thread()
+<Bagder>	well, lcd_update() gets called twice ;-)
+<dwihno>	:)
+<dwihno>	Bagder - master of debugging
+<dwihno>	We are all tiny grasshoppers in his presence
+<Bagder>	first: tree.c:155 and then at tree.c:366
+<Zagor>	right
+<Bagder>	showdir() should probably not do lcd_update()
+<Zagor>	how sily
+<Zagor>	ll
+<dwihno>	:D
+<dwihno>	You guys are <----- this -----> great coders :)
+<dwihno>	Just idling in this channel, I learn lots of stuff ):
+<dwihno>	:)
+*	Bagder blushes
+<Bagder>	Zagor: you fix?
+<Zagor>	yup
+<Bagder>	fine
+*	dwihno learned more about regexp today :)
+<Bagder>	I think this is the flicker
+<Bagder>	regexes rock
+*	dwihno starts the drumroll - will the LCD get fix0red...
+<edx>	lol
+<Zagor>	try this build, guys: http://bjorn.haxx.se/rockbox/recorder/ajbrec.ajz
+*	dwihno fetches
+<elinenbe|sleepin>	morning all.
+---	elinenbe|sleepin is now known as elinebe|class
+<Bagder>	morning elinenbe
+<Bagder>	much better in the simulator at least
+<elinebe|class>	what have you guys been working on last night?
+<Zagor>	you sim guys, when will we get player icons in the simulators? :)
+<Bagder>	can you fix us a good closeup picture showing them?
+<dwihno>	IT'S FIXED!
+<dwihno>	DAMN!
+<Zagor>	nope :)
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+<Bagder>	and an api that uses them
+<dwihno>	YOU RULES! :D
+<edx>	hmm the icons.. hm
+<Bagder>	*cool*
+<dwihno>	the button management is smoother too, I think... Am I right?
+<Bagder>	dwihno: so it looks fine now when scrolling?
+<alkorr>	zagor, is it you in charge of FAT ?
+<Zagor>	yes
+<dwihno>	Bagder: not a single flicker! :D
+<dwihno>	Bagder: it's ... perfect! :D
+<dwihno>	MY PRECIOUS! :D
+<Zagor>	dwihno: nice
+<alkorr>	there is two way to handle FAT
+<alkorr>	mirroring FAT or just select the active FAT
+<alkorr>	you use which one ?
+*	dwihno would like a sorting which places dirs first, and then the files ;)
+<elinebe|class>	did you guys ever figure out the .ejz thing?
+<Bagder>	elinebe|class: nope
+<alkorr>	that sorting by type could be easily done if you prefix string with one byte
+<Bagder>	we use qsort, we don't have to prefix, we have structs
+<Bagder>	its just that the sort function ignores type atm
+<alkorr>	you mean you use a comp function pointer given to qsort ?
+<Bagder>	yeps
+<Bagder>	and it compares names only
+<alkorr>	oh yeah
+<alkorr>	more dynamic
+<alkorr>	you could give to user the choice for kind of sorting :)
+<Bagder>	indeed
+<Zagor>	alkorr: actually, I use neither method. I use the first fat, always :)
+<Zagor>	i sense a bug here :)
+<alkorr>	okay, i suggest to use the active FAT on the first FAT
+<alkorr>	that way, Windows knows the other FAT are not mirrored
+<Zagor>	yes. still it shouldn't be much of a problem until we start writing on the disk
+<alkorr>	yes i know, it is only a suggestion if you don't like to be forced to mirror the fats
+<Zagor>	yes, i think it's a good suggestion
+<alkorr>	there is a way to be sure that Windows and jukebox are synched
+<alkorr>	to use the active fat
+<alkorr>	but to tell the truth, i seldom see one fat partition use this mode.
+<alkorr>	never i should say :)
+<Zagor>	this is a little black magic. the specs say one thing, but what does windows actually do?
+<alkorr>	i just know this option exists
+<alkorr>	the only difficult part is that : can windows change the active fat without our demand ?
+<alkorr>	huh, i mean : can Windows selects another active FAT without our demand
+<dwihno>	alkorr: Today is a good day - the LCD glitch is removed! :D
+<alkorr>	glitch ?
+<dwihno>	yeah
+<alkorr>	what does that mean ?
+<dwihno>	like visible vsync's on the recorder
+<dwihno>	a double lcd_update()
+<dwihno>	so the scrolling is now flawless (up&down)
+<Zagor>	dwihno: how does the side scroll look?
+<dwihno>	Lemme check
+<alkorr>	strange, i remember this word but i cannot find its meaning in my dictionnary :/
+<alkorr>	ok, understood
+<dwihno>	Zagor: lookín' good!
+<alkorr>	it remembers me some old story when i had a 8086 ;)
+<Bagder>	Zagor: about the 1.1 release, you could point out how cool our playlist support is already ;-)
+<dwihno>	But the directory reading still appears a bit broken
+<Zagor>	dwihno: that's really strange. I can't repeat that no matter what I do
+<dwihno>	Hmm... Weird :/
+<dwihno>	I'll let you have a look at my unit when I get to stockholm in july if the problem hasn't been solved by then ;)
+<alkorr>	Zagor: my suggestion is just that at booting, if jukebox sees the FAT partition is mirroring, it sets first FAT active. 
+*	Bagder sense another devcon ;-)
+<dwihno>	play should also allow entering a directory/play a file
+<dwihno>	YAY! DEVCON! :D
+<Zagor>	Bagder: yeah, i'm raving a bit about that :)
+<Zagor>	alkorr: yes
+*	Bagder is going home, see ya
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+<Zagor>	i'm thinking if we should wait for the recorder ata fix or release 1.1 without it
+<dwihno>	the scroll is so darn cool!
+<dwihno>	Kudos to the scrolly ppl!
+<alkorr>	Zagor: no problem, just a recall for future
+<Zagor>	dwihno: hehe, glad you like it
+<dwihno>	:D
+<dwihno>	I'm not mentioned in the credits :¨¨(
+*	dwihno plays some sokoban and gets happy again
+<alkorr>	dwihno: watch the jukebox power ;)
+<dwihno>	yay! :)
+<alkorr>	huh can you really watch the power bar ?
+<Zagor>	no
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+<alkorr>	ok a future TODO...
+<Zagor>	ooh, matsl!
+<dwihno>	matsl = ?
+<Zagor>	a coworker of mine
+<dwihno>	secret undercover archos employee!
+<dwihno>	secret undercover archos employee!
+<dwihno>	secret undercover archos employee!
+<dwihno>	:)
+<edx>	cool co-workers only talk via irc :)
+<matsl>	Hi there! Is there a todo-list for the player somewhere?
+<Zagor>	matsl: not really, we make it up as we go along :)
+<matsl>	ok. Any suggestion for a small first hack?
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+<alan>	???
+<dwihno>	matsl: do you have an archos too? :)
+<matsl>	jupp
+<alan>	matsl: your domain ?
+<dwihno>	Darn, 75% of contactor are cool ;D
+<dwihno>	I guess Zagor has promoted it widely ;)
+<Zagor>	dwihno: what's wrong with the others? ;)
+<dwihno>	Zagor: they are secret undercover dudes and girls!
+<matsl>	Domain???
+<alan>	i mean your skills
+<alan>	are you electroncians, programmer, etc.
+<matsl>	Programmer
+<alan>	you bought a jukebox because of Vjörn ? :)
+<alan>	s/V/B
+<Zagor>	matsl: i can't think of any small isolated things. what we need right now (after 1.1 release) is improved UI.
+<matsl>	OK
+<Zagor>	we need to get back to viewing the id3 tag while playing, simpler volume adjustment, next/prev track etc.
+<alan>	BTW, what is the status of Rockbox with Recorder ? oh yes cannot play with mpeg (missing MAS stuff)
+<dwihno>	Patience, grasshopper ;)
+<Zagor>	alan: yes. also it seems the rec6/10 ata problem is not completely solved yet. plmirc can't get his started.
+<Zagor>	we haven't been able to reach linus since lunch, so we don't know what he did. his build is the only one that works for plmirc...
+<alan>	just a question, the ATA addresses are all 3xx for Rec6/10 and 2xx for Rec20 ?
+<Zagor>	no, just the CONTROL and STATUS
+<alan>	okay, it is the problem
+<Zagor>	??
+<alan>	all the address must be 3xx or 2xx. There must be no mixing of 3xx and 2xx addresses
+<Zagor>	no, but that's ok. there is only 3 or 2.
+<matsl>	OK. Bye folks. See you later.
+<Zagor>	the rest of the registers use 1
+<Zagor>	bye mats
+<alan>	oh yes
+<alan>	ALTSTAT you mean
+<alan>	sorry :)
+<Zagor>	yes
+<alan>	yes you are totally right
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+<jedix>	hey guys
+<Zagor>	hi
+<jedix>	whats up?
+<Zagor>	preparing for 1.1 relase. fixed some playlist issues
+<jedix>	if nibbles isn't implemented I'm not going to be happy
+<Zagor>	nibbles?
+<miah>	i'd rather see features than games..
+<miah>	games == waste of time
+<miah>	listening to music while riding the T == good thing
+<Zagor>	the current player is definitely T material, with the playlist support
+<dwihno>	:D
+<dwihno>	yeah, especially the recorder build ;D
+<Zagor>	the recorder is getting games because we're all waiting for the MAS code to be ready
+<dwihno>	A little poll... What kind of ear/headphones do you guys have?
+<Zagor>	and, face it, the recorder is too fun to leave alone :)
+<Zagor>	Sony EX70
+<miah>	i have those sony wrap arounds
+<Zagor>	big poll :)
+<dwihno>	:)
+<dwihno>	yeah
+<dwihno>	:)
+<dwihno>	I'm impressed, are you impressed?
+<dwihno>	I'm Mike Levy, for amazing discoveries!
+<dwihno>	*do the hand thing in the air*
+<dwihno>	those earphones look really weird Zagor 
+<miah>	when rockbox has equilizer support (like the archos does, adjust bass, trebil, etc) then i'll be happy..
+<Zagor>	they rule
+<Zagor>	miah: it already has
+<miah>	oh?  its implemented now?
+<miah>	i havnt looked since 1.0
+<dwihno>	it's in the menu
+<Zagor>	1.0 had it. "sound" in the menu.
+<miah>	nice
+<miah>	ah, imust have missed it
+<dwihno>	Zagor: how expensive were the phones?
+<miah>	damn, boards of canada has a trippy site
+<alan>	very very hot, i swear ;////
+<alan>	cu
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+<Zagor>	dwihno: something like 500 SEK i think
+<dwihno>	Whoa
+<dwihno>	what makes them so special?
+<dwihno>	I'm quite satisfied with my sony blahblah-something for 350 SEK
+<Zagor>	the sound, simply... they have awesome sound
+<dwihno>	Well, you must let me test them on DEVCON, mkay? :)
+<Zagor>	yeah, so was I until I tried these
+<Zagor>	hehe, sure
+<edx>	what headfones are they
+<edx>	(product name..)
+<Zagor>	Sony EX70
+*	dwihno has some sony stuff for biking and sennheiser HD 570 for "comfortable" listening
+<edx>	ah those.. for 40 Euros.. (or where thos diffrerent ones)
+<dwihno>	Zagor: how is the bass?
+*	dwihno listens much to evil dance beats
+<Zagor>	dwihno: the best. seriously. I keep it at ~10% setting on the recorder, and that's plenty
+<dwihno>	:)
+*	edx needs those headphones
+<dwihno>	Darn... My laptop purchase will leave me broke for a decade :)
+<Zagor>	hehe
+<dwihno>	But at least, I can play q3a :)
+<dwihno>	I was thinking about making a HD swap (laptop <--> archos) :)
+<Zagor>	hehe
+<miah>	heh
+<dwihno>	then I realized I need to get a bigger disk
+<dwihno>	30 gig is not enough
+<miah>	i'd much rather have 30gigs in my laptop
+<dwihno>	yeah
+<dwihno>	I'll get a 40 gig disk for the archos
+<dwihno>	and keep all music in that
+<dwihno>	then I'll keep all code and stuff in the laptop
+<miah>	the only thing i hate about archos is FAT32
+<miah>	and defraging over USB
+<Zagor>	seriously, fat32 isn't such a bad choice for this kind of device.
+<miah>	yea
+<miah>	i know, but fragmentation sucks ass
+<Zagor>	it's plain and simple, no fuss no special features
+<Zagor>	fragmentation, with 3+ meg files?
+<miah>	yep
+<miah>	most of my mp3's are 6-10megs
+<Zagor>	you must be doing a LOT of back-and-forth:ing...
+*	dwihno agrees to Zagor 
+<miah>	not really, but i havnt defrag'd in over a year, and i can tell you, songs skip now
+<dwihno>	they do?
+<dwihno>	what model do you have?
+<miah>	6000
+<dwihno>	ah, mkay
+<Zagor>	weird
+<miah>	but after i defrag, its all happy
+<dwihno>	What amount of buffer is it in the 6000?
+<miah>	2meg i think
+<Zagor>	yep, same as the others
+<dwihno>	defrag:ing once a year is something you do when you're at your friend's place (Zagor, hehe) with an USB2 interface ;)
+<miah>	i encode all my mp3's with vbr, and alot of the songs i listen to are really long (lots of autechre, squarepusher, boards of canada, and other strangeness)
+<miah>	so they're long
+<miah>	and big files.. the songs i have that are 128k and small (punk stuff) playback pretty well, i dont have many problems with them
+<Zagor>	miah: you could try running an analysis on it and see. i still thing it sounds odd to get fragmentation problems on this big files
+<miah>	yea
+<miah>	i make sure to run scandisk/norton disk doctor on it every now and then
+<Zagor>	i never do that :)
+<edx>	Zagor: Are those yours: MDR-EX70LP
+<Zagor>	yup
+<edx>	cool %0$
+<edx>	50
+<edx>	.. hmm gotta have them.. i use the standrd archos headphones right now.. 
+<dwihno>	they remind me of earplugs :)
+<dwihno>	ouch
+<dwihno>	you need to replace those headphones!
+<edx>	with the volume control they really suck LOL
+<edx>	i know
+<dwihno>	My boss got my archos headphones ):
+<dwihno>	:)
+<dwihno>	He said "the sound quality is good"
+<dwihno>	Then I just smiled
+<edx>	guess i'll change the style of music i listen to if i change my headphones haha
+<Zagor>	gotta go. see you tomorrow, guys!
+<--	Zagor has quit ("Client Exiting")
+<dwihno>	I should go too
+<dwihno>	But I need to fix some code first
+<dwihno>	Otherwise I'll have to spend time tomorrow to get in synch with the coding
+---	jedix is now known as jedi|lunch
+<edx>	dwihno: the bass gets down to 6 HZ with those head phones :)
+<dwihno>	whoaaaaaa :D~~
+*	dwihno is looking forward to DEVCON, so I can test Zagor's headgear
+<edx>	they really must rock
+<edx>	i'll order them today i guess hehe
+<dwihno>	you rich pants dude! :)
+<dwihno>	How long is the delivery?
+<dwihno>	I'd like to hear your opinion about the headphones too :)
+<edx>	i dont knwo .. a few days (delviery)
+<dwihno>	I want my laptop! :(
+<dwihno>	They haven't even confirmed the order yet :(
+<edx>	heh i want to buy head phones for at least half a year now..
+<edx>	your laptop rocks ;)
+<edx>	hehe
+<dwihno>	It sure will rock - for at least three years
+<edx>	hehe
+<dwihno>	Stupid of me to think so, huh ;) ?
+<edx>	nah.. i guess it will last at least two years in a really acceptable speed and it'll certainly still be "enough" after 4 years.. :)
+<dwihno>	yeah :)
+<dwihno>	Then I'll sell my soul once again and get a new one ;)
+<edx>	hehe
+*	dwihno looks in the crystal ball... I see... A P6 6,2GHz, 2 gigs of RAM and 2tb disk :)
+<edx>	4 gigs ram.. my guess :)
+<dwihno>	hehe ;)
+<dwihno>	40 gig of RAM in the box, 40 gigs of RAM, if one would fail or starting to bail, then there'll be 39 gigs of RAM in the box
+<dwihno>	;)
+<edx>	hhe
+<edx>	 NICK edxUSER OKE60 "" "irc.dal.net" :edx
+<edx>	lol
+<edx>	geht schon so ein bisschen LOL
+<dwihno>	Was machst du?
+<edx>	wtf..
+<edx>	wrong channel window
+<edx>	i am sorry
+<edx>	im currently writing a proxy program and im debugging :)
+<dwihno>	ah
+<dwihno>	Aber was machst du?
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+<dwihno>	Hast du der Ober heute gesehen?
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+<edx>	lol..
+<Bagder2>	moo
+<edx>	"der Ober" whats that supposed to mean
+<edx>	hi bagder
+<dwihno>	howdy ho, mr bagder
+<dwihno>	mr. bagdad :)
+<edx>	Ober.. there is a word.. lkike "waiter
+<edx>	"
+<edx>	?
+<dwihno>	yup :)
+<edx>	then it is:
+<edx>	"Hast du den Ober heute gesehen"
+<edx>	hehe
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+<dwihno>	Me + grammars = BAAAD combination
+<dwihno>	One house, two house :)
+<edx>	heh
+<edx>	one sheep two sheep.. that works out ;)
+<dwihno>	:)
+<dwihno>	two sheeps! :;)
+<edx>	two sheep.
+<Bagder2>	too cheap
+<dwihno>	haha
+<edx>	(anyone *really* English here?)
+<edx>	btw.. just found the Sony headphonse for 38Euros..
+<Bagder2>	been a while since wavey was around
+<edx>	about to buy them :)(
+*	Bagder2 's mp3sync-script rocks
+<Bagder2>	keeps my archos synced with my local mp3 collection
+<edx>	hehe
+<dwihno>	how does it work?
+<dwihno>	edx: cool! buy me some and I'll wear a "Felix kick arse" sweater all summer, deal? :)
+<Bagder2>	it checks if all my local mp3s are on the archos, and if I removed any local ones I should remove on the archos too
+<edx>	hehehe.. 
+<dwihno>	Bagder2: so the local copy is a master?
+<Bagder2>	yes
+<Bagder2>	exactly
+<dwihno>	I'm --> <-- this close to finish off for the night
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+---	jedi|lunch is now known as jedix
+*	edx has just ordered his Sony MDR-EX70LP :)
+<dwihno>	:D
+<dwihno>	Now you're a copy of Zagor!
+<dwihno>	* edx is now known as Zagor-edx
+<edx>	LOL
+<dwihno>	Darn
+<dwihno>	I want one of those too
+<dwihno>	When I get rich
+---	edx is now known as edx|Zagor
+<dwihno>	WHOA!
+<edx|Zagor>	you get a laptop for 2500 Bucks... be quiet :)
+---	edx|Zagor is now known as edx
+<dwihno>	Welcome to the twilight zone!
+<edx>	lol
+<dwihno>	Welcome, to the edx zone! For the next 20 seconds, he will control everything you see and hear ;)
+<edx>	*beeb*
+*	Bagder2 felt controlled
+*	edx controlled bagder... and dwihno
+<dwihno>	Where am I? Who are you?
+<dwihno>	And why am I wearing pantyhoses? :)
+<ironi>	hehe
+<ironi>	hi there
+<dwihno>	hellojs ironi
+<dwihno>	dokthar irouni
+<ironi>	dwihno: one of those situations again, huh?
+<dwihno>	<-- masters the persian language
+<dwihno>	tavalod moborak!
+<ironi>	but
+<ironi>	t they'r ejust $49.95
+<ironi>	not very expensive
+<ironi>	i still think my headphones rulle the planet when it comes to price/performance/cool design
+<ironi>	Koss PortaPro
+<dwihno>	My Sennheiser HD570 pumps the jam quite nicely too ;D
+<ironi>	but they are not really portable
+<ironi>	and sennheiser cant deliver base
+<dwihno>	these babies can :)
+<ironi>	btw, if you want earplugs, you should consider the koss ksc-35
+<ironi>	they're cheap but supposedly MEAN
+<ironi>	uhm i mean like not earplugs but on the ear phones without bygel =)
+<ironi>	dwihno: let me win you over: http://www.ljudman.se/portapro.htm
+<ironi>	or perhaps http://www.ljudman.se/ksc35.htm
+<ironi>	now i gotta rest, im kinda sick
+*	ironi is gone, *sick* [l/on p/on]
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+<g003y>	sup alll?
+<--	jedix has quit ("and then, just like that, he dissapeared")
+<g003y>	dang my playlists never play.  They load, but never really play.
+<--	edx has quit ("good night")
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+<g003y>	anyone awakre?
+<g003y>	awake that is
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+<elinenbe>	hello there
+<PsycoXul>	no, hello here
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+<g003y>	hello all
+<g003y>	acck....
+<g003y>	what did they do to the current tree?
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+---	dw|gone0r is now known as dwihn0r
+*	adi|home screams softly into the night
+-->	g003y (~foo@m198-187.dsl.rawbw.com) has joined #rockbox
+*	dwihn0r sings the rockbox anthem
+-->	Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) has joined #rockbox
+<dwihn0r>	Hellojs Bagder 
+<Bagder>	morning
+---	dwihn0r is now known as dwihno
+<Bagder>	bad apache
+*	Bagder rebuilds
+*	Bagder installs
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+<Bagder>	morning Linus
+<Linus>	morning
+<Linus>	Did you find out anything about the .ejz files yesterday?
+<Bagder>	no
+<Bagder>	but we fixed the flicker
+<Linus>	oh. too many redraws?
+<Bagder>	yeps
+<Bagder>	one extra
+<Bagder>	looks a lot better now
+<Linus>	great
+<dwihno>	:D
+<dwihno>	Looks awesome!
+<Linus>	How is sokoban?
+<dwihno>	Kickass! :)
+<Linus>	R00lz!
+<dwihno>	The key code needs an overhaul though
+<dwihno>	http://robotron.ton.tut.fi/love_on_video/koto_-_jabdah_(formel_eins).mpg
+<Linus>	the key code? You mean the bouncing?
+<dwihno>	bouncing?
+<Linus>	or what did you mean?
+<adi|home>	anyone played with the rockbox on the recorder yet?
+<dwihno>	<-- did
+<dwihno>	hmm
+*	Bagder did too
+<dwihno>	on the recorder, the button processing code is fishy, sometimes when I press once, it does the button action twice etc.
+<adi|home>	did you find that the reboots seem to happen even with the dc in?
+<Linus>	dwihno: that's contact bouncing
+<Bagder>	reboots?
+<Bagder>	I got no reboots
+<adi|home>	the battery issue
+<adi|home>	when i have the dc in, i still seem to get reboots
+<Linus>	that sucks
+<Linus>	adi|home: that _could_ be a grounding problem
+<adi|home>	hmmm.. ok
+<adi|home>	ideas on a solution?
+<g003y>	hmph... all these recorder types.
+<g003y>	:)
+<Linus>	g003y: I take it you're a Player owner... :-)
+<g003y>	yeah
+<Linus>	me too. I have both :-)
+<g003y>	though wish I had that nice bitmap screen :D
+<Bagder>	g003y: you cvsup'ed recently?
+<g003y>	a few hours ago
+<g003y>	but my build is all jacked now
+<Bagder>	oh
+<Linus>	g003y: See it from the bright side, you can at least play music on your box.
+<Bagder>	I had a go a the include issue yday
+<g003y>	haheheehhe... just wish I could get the playlist to actually work
+<g003y>	I noticed that
+<Bagder>	we should dig into that problem of yours
+<Bagder>	Björn played an all-disk playlist yesterday on his player fine
+<g003y>	I see the includes but now time.h begs for machine/somthing.h
+<Bagder>	uh
+<g003y>	bagder - I think I'm still doing something wrong with the playlists
+<Bagder>	how did you make your playlist?
+<g003y>	tried a number of ways so far.
+<g003y>	1) Vi
+<g003y>	2) Winamp
+<g003y>	3) Sonqiue
+<g003y>	4) a script on the file system
+<Bagder>	because staring only yesterday we support windows drive names and backslashes
+<Bagder>	i also believe that the file names are case sensitive
+<g003y>	well I tried the 17th compile from work today, but no luck
+<Bagder>	ok
+<g003y>	that was with a drag n drop from the drive to winamp
+<g003y>	I know PsycoXul was having probs before, but he hasn't been back to confirm if it started working for him.
+<Bagder>	well, I guess Zagor must show you a version working for him and then you can try that
+<Bagder>	I have no player, I can't play at all ;-)
+<dwihno>	Linus: contact bouncing?
+<g003y>	yeah a working example would be nice.
+<Bagder>	dwihno: yes, when one keypress kind of "jumps" on the contact so that it gets registered as two or more
+<g003y>	thats been resolved?
+<dwihno>	Bagder: I never have that problem with the archos firmware :)
+<Bagder>	dwihno: no, because they "debounce"
+<adi|home>	did i miss any of the core apis getting changed?
+<g003y>	archos has all the docs the bastards :D
+<adi|home>	namely, the rectangle functions?
+<Bagder>	cheaters ;-)
+<Bagder>	adi|home: they changed?
+<adi|home>	i don't know
+<Bagder>	hm
+<adi|home>	suddenly boxes isn't working
+<Bagder>	I might be responsible
+<adi|home>	what was 'screensaver'
+<adi|home>	it works.. but not properly
+<adi|home>	what didyou change?
+*	dwihno will write a polite e-mail to the archos dudes asking for docs and how they do the battery stuff
+<Bagder>	did it use the XOR feature?
+<adi|home>	nope
+<Bagder>	ok, then I don't think its me ;-)
+<Bagder>	so what doesn't work?
+<adi|home>	im trying to figure out what went wrong
+<adi|home>	but the'shrinking' boxes aren't displaying
+<Bagder>	it works in my simulator right now
+<adi|home>	really?
+<Bagder>	yeps
+<adi|home>	the boxes grow and shrink?
+<Bagder>	yeps
+<adi|home>	when did you last do a cvs update?
+<Bagder>	just now
+<adi|home>	ill update again
+<adi|home>	i noticed it because the firmware on the website doesn't do it properly
+<Bagder>	the daily one?
+<adi|home>	yup
+<adi|home>	btw.. how do i remove a file from cvs?
+<Bagder>	odd
+<adi|home>	screensaver.[ch] don't need to be there anymore
+<Bagder>	rm file; cvs rm file
+<Bagder>	cvs ci file
+<g003y>	ahhh... current compiles for me again after a cvs update
+<Bagder>	goodie
+<adi|home>	god i love the world cup 
+*	adi|home smiles happily
+<g003y>	oh crap.... I think I spoke too soon on current.  crap :/
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+<Zagor>	hey there
+<Bagder>	g003y: what fails then?
+<Bagder>	hey Zagor, g003y has problems with playlists
+<g003y>	well I do a clean get.
+*	dwihno has no problems with rockbox
+<g003y>	and it says it can't find machine/types.h
+<dwihno>	other than the fishy filename thing
+<g003y>	I used to do the -I/usr/include hack on the makefile
+<Bagder>	uh, remove that machine/types thing
+<g003y>	but now you have all the includy stuff going on
+<Bagder>	I'll do it now
+<g003y>	it's in time.h
+<g003y>	which was added recently
+<Bagder>	I know, gone now ;-)
+<g003y>	cool
+<g003y>	why did you add it ?
+<g003y>	can recorder tell time?
+<g003y>	:D
+<Zagor>	yes it can
+<Bagder>	we use that include file, that's why I added it
+<g003y>	but the player can't right?
+<Zagor>	but we haven't implemented it yet
+<Zagor>	right
+<g003y>	damn.... another reason to buy the recorder
+*	adi|home screams
+<Bagder>	I made a find and grepped out all libc headers we used and made sure I provided all them
+<adi|home>	bagder
+*	Bagder looks at adi|home
+<adi|home>	there is NO way you have a upto date cvs
+<adi|home>	boxes isn't working proper
+<adi|home>	im tellign you
+<g003y>	hahahahahahahahaha
+*	adi|home is _not_ insane
+<Bagder>	I can't but to cvs up
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+<g003y>	zagor: can you provide me with a smallish example working m3u you've been using? 
+<Zagor>	adi|home: boxes work for me in sim at least
+<g003y>	I would like to verify if I'm an idiot
+<adi|home>	Zagor.. you have a recorder?
+<Zagor>	yes
+<adi|home>	test the latest daily build
+<adi|home>	check the boxes
+<Zagor>	g003y: F:\Film/Soundtrack - Cast Away (End Credits) - Silvestri.mp3
+<Zagor>	 Always (Song Duet).mp3
+<Zagor>	 Reunion.mp3
+<adi|home>	it _doesnt'_ work
+<Zagor>	oops, stripped leding slashes :)
+<Zagor>	adi|home: ok, will test
+<adi|home>	thank you :)
+<Zagor>	g003y: what is the problem you get?
+*	adi|home places the pistol to his tempel
+<adi|home>	go ahead.. tell me im crazy...
+<adi|home>	i dare you
+<g003y>	well playlist appears to load, but then just sits at the <no artist> <no title>
+*	adi|home whinces.... blinks.. turns the gun around
+<adi|home>	barrel end has the bullets
+<Zagor>	adi|home: i fixed dynamic IRC page yesterday, so you only have to add the log file now, not update the page
+*	adi|home make a mental note
+<adi|home>	sweet
+<adi|home>	i have to update the log from this weekend
+<Bagder> the playlist playing doesn't update the screen to anything, does it?
+<Bagder> g003y: and you name your file whatever.m3u ?
+<g003y> blah.m3u 
+<Zagor> Bagder: no it doesn't
+<Bagder> g003y: it saying <no artist> indicates that it doesn't think it is a playlist
+<g003y> hmmm 
+<g003y> ok
+<g003y> well I must've f'd up somehow then
+<Zagor> g003y: is it lowercase?
+<g003y> the whole filename?
+<Linus> Zagor: I forgot your NewPlayer this morning
+<Bagder> the extension
+<g003y> zagor: the whole filename is lowercase
+<Zagor> Linus: bah! no chicken for you!!! :)
+<Zagor> g003y: strange
+<Linus> Zagor: Pleeeeze. Have some chicken with me....!
+<g003y> zagor: I know... thats why I think it's user error still