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+**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Apr 27 18:02:19 2002
+
+-->	adiamas (~adiamas@as5300-9.216-194-23-95.nyc.ny.metconnect.net) has joined #rockbox
+---	Topic for #rockbox is Open Source Jukebox Firmware - http://bjorn.haxx.se/rockbox/
+---	Topic for #rockbox set by Zagor at Fri Apr 12 09:45:52
+<adiamas>	okay... logging again :)
+<adiamas>	i mailed the log from the 26th out
+<Zagor>	to the list?
+<adiamas>	sorry.. not mailed... cvs'd
+<Zagor>	ah
+<Zagor>	did you update the .t file too?
+<adiamas>	nope.. ill get that..
+<adiamas>	done
+<Zagor>	I tried to add a cron job, but got some permission problems so it's still manual
+<Bagder>	lids related?
+<Zagor>	I don't know. I'll find the error mail
+<Zagor>	Subject: Cron <bjst@labb> (cd $HOME/bjorn_html/rockbox; cvs update; make)
+<Zagor>	rcmd: socket: Permission denied
+<Zagor>	cvs [update aborted]: end of file from server (consult above messages if any)
+<Zagor>	ah
+<Zagor>	it's not having CVS_RSH=ssh
+<Bagder>	but it shouldn't
+<Bagder>	you should update anonymously
+<Zagor>	ah, yes. I *should* :-)
+<Bagder>	aaaaah
+<Bagder>	say no more ;-)
+<Zagor>	trying again
+<Zagor>	GOTCHA
+<Zagor>	cross-sector filenames now work too
+<Zagor>	it ain't pretty, but it works :)
+<Bagder>	heh, I hope you smack on some comments explaining the non-prettiness
+<Zagor>	i'm trying...
+<Zagor>	it's the sector caching that makes a mess
+<Zagor>	i'll check it in so you can take a look
+<Bagder>	sure!
+<Zagor>	it's in
+<Zagor>	at the bottom, fat_getnext()
+<Bagder>	one sec
+<Bagder>	its not that bad really
+<Zagor>	i found an unnecessary line: ptr = ent->cached_buf
+<Bagder>	on 963?
+<Zagor>	no, 971
+<Bagder>	ah
+<Bagder>	right
+<Zagor>	since it's already being done on 963
+<Zagor>	removing that, I can collapse the ifs a bit
+<Zagor>	i'd say this moves the fat code into GREEN status
+*	Bagder horrays
+<Zagor>	what a difference a day makes :)
+*	Bagder presses reload on the rockbox page like crazy
+<Zagor>	hehe
+<Zagor>	now
+<Bagder>	plopp
+<Bagder>	7 green ones
+<Bagder>	9 yellow to go
+<Zagor>	yeah
+<Bagder>	we should write a little converter for pics to our internal pixmap format
+<Bagder>	did you write one for gifs to some odd format?
+<Bagder>	thinking about the rockbox logo now
+<Zagor>	no that was hand-pixeled by thomas
+<Bagder>	yes, but I recall something about you doing something like that on Siemens?
+<Bagder>	a converter that is
+<Zagor>	ah, yes
+<Zagor>	umm, i can't remember the name of the format :)
+<Bagder>	in fact
+<Bagder>	just loading a software showing the logo will make a *great* foto
+<Zagor>	yup
+<Zagor>	PPM i think the format is called
+<Zagor>	portable pixmap
+<Bagder>	ah yes
+<Bagder>	I'll hack up a little app embryo right now
+<Zagor>	the simulator should be able to do this, right?
+<Bagder>	do what?
+<Zagor>	run this app, showing the logo
+<Bagder>	yes
+<Zagor>	if you run it, include the ata code and run ata_init(). that should prevent it locking the disk.
+<Zagor>	ah, the cron job works now
+<Bagder>	fine
+<Bagder>	but I'm not gonna try running it on target yet
+<Zagor>	I can understand that :)
+<Zagor>	we should fix an unlock patch for the usb 2.0 driver too.
+<Bagder>	that would be really good
+<Bagder>	I'll make it possible to start tetris from the app's menu
+<Bagder>	:-)
+<Zagor>	:)
+<Bagder>	hm, doesn't work
+<Zagor>	what's the problem?
+<Bagder>	I can't manage to get the "cursor" to show up
+<Zagor>	cursor?
+<Bagder>	I have three lines in a "menu"
+<Zagor>	ah
+<Bagder>	and I want to move a "marker" along the side of them
+<Zagor>	i see
+<Bagder>	hm
+<Bagder>	I need to force a screen update somehow I guess
+<Bagder>	of course I do
+<Bagder>	silly me
+<Zagor>	yes :)
+<Bagder>	yes, and clear the marker when I move away... :-)
+<Zagor>	ok, time for file.c
+<Bagder>	roxxers
+<Bagder>	hehe, now I can start tetris from the menu ;-)
+<Zagor>	nice!
+<Bagder>	gotta clear the screen first though
+<Zagor>	hmm, both the man pages for remove() and unlink() claim POSIX conformance
+<Zagor>	remove() is undoubtedly a better name
+<Bagder>	it is
+<adiamas>	well.. depends on how you look at it...
+<adiamas>	you aren't really 'removing' the file from the system...
+<adiamas>	you are more so 'unlink'ing it from the system
+<Zagor>	you're removing it from view :)
+<adiamas>	but your also unlinking it from the file system ;)
+<Bagder>	hey you can't drop the block in tetris!
+<Zagor>	no, only speed it up
+*	Bagder made the x11 lcd display flicker free now
+<Bagder>	try the new uisim
+<Bagder>	just committed
+<Zagor>	lots of updates :)
+<Zagor>	how do you select an entry?
+<Bagder>	right
+<Zagor>	ah
+<Bagder>	but you can't leave tetris ;-)
+<Bagder>	I better fix that
+<Zagor>	still, our first menu!
+<Bagder>	I like that big font
+<Zagor>	hehe
+<Bagder>	now
+<Bagder>	should I move the X11 stuff into a subdir?
+<Bagder>	or should I put the app stuff in a subdir?
+<Zagor>	put X11 in a subdir
+<Bagder>	it makes sense
+<Zagor>	then we put all apps in the root and just link to win32 or x11
+<Bagder>	of course, the app stuff should probably be in the firmware dir...
+<Zagor>	yeah, but I expect we'll have lots of little "toy apps" mainly for the simulator
+<Bagder>	oh yes!
+<Bagder>	do we have a sleep() yet?
+<Zagor>	well we have it
+<Zagor>	but it's not working right on target, since we haven't set up the timer interrupt yet
+<Bagder>	I was just thinking how I should proceed to slow my app down ;-)
+<Zagor>	sleep(ticks)
+<Bagder>	why not sleep(ms)
+<Bagder>	prevents ms/MS_PER_TICK all over ;-)
+<Zagor>	use HZ/freq instead
+<Zagor>	no reason really, it's just the simplest implementation
+<Bagder>	doesn't really matter, we can have both ;-)
+<Zagor>	yup
+<Bagder>	now, which key do we stop tetris with?
+<Zagor>	a function key
+<Zagor>	or OFF
+<Bagder>	I'll use off for now
+<Bagder>	oh what fun ;-)
+<Zagor>	:)
+<Bagder>	add a big "Tetris" text too for the fun of it
+<Bagder>	´ed
+<Bagder>	bed time
+---	Bagder is now known as Bagderzzz
+<--	Zagor has quit ("bye")
+<adiamas>	ummm.. what happened to the makefile for uisim?
+<adiamas>	nevermind
+<--	Bagderzzz has quit (carter.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net)
+-->	Bagderzzz (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) has joined #rockbox
+*	adiamas screams at this stupid person
+<adiamas>	my god.. i wasn't happy totally with this guys id3 editor..
+<adiamas>	so i started digging into it...
+<PsycoXul>	heh
+<adiamas>	it has to be -the- worst design and execution of code i have ever seen
+<PsycoXul>	i did the same thing with grip
+<adiamas>	lets have a struct of data, that also has bools in it that tell you if that data field needs to be edited.
+<adiamas>	why?
+<adiamas>	so you can pass it around your functions.
+<adiamas>	but lets be_really_ lazy and use getopt and rely on the externs
+*	adiamas screams softly into the night
+<adiamas>	who hacked out the tetris file again?
+---	edx|sleeping is now known as edx|studying
+*	edx|studying thinks he's sick sleeping more than 10 hours the last two nights :?
+---	Bagderzzz is now known as Bagder
+<edx|studying>	hi bagder :)
+<Bagder>	hey
+<Bagder>	I moved the x11 sim stuff to its own dir yesterday
+<edx|studying>	yea i just updated :)
+<Bagder>	so now we both could use the app.c and tetris.c in the uisimulator root
+<edx|studying>	good idea.
+<adiamas>	nods
+<adiamas>	who wrote the tetris originally?
+<Bagder>	"Mattis Wadman"
+<edx|studying>	there is another problem with the tetris code.
+<edx|studying>	that give me a macro redefinition:
+<edx|studying>	#define HAVE_RECORDER_KEYPAD
+<edx|studying>	what do i do about it?
+<adiamas>	ahh hehhe
+<edx|studying>	(you need this define there?)
+<edx|studying>	i compile with ARCHOS_RECORDER defined the this is defined automatically.
+<Bagder>	uh, no it shouldn't be there
+<edx|studying>	ok ill delete it
+<adiamas>	im trying to understand wtf is happening with the block_dat
+<adiamas>	data 
+<edx|studying>	another thing...
+<edx|studying>	unistd.h
+<edx|studying>	is not for windows
+<adiamas>	same #define is in the x11 should it be there?
+<edx|studying>	so im gonna do that:
+<edx|studying>	#ifndef _WIN32
+<edx|studying>	#include <unistd.h>
+<edx|studying>	#endif
+<adiamas>	right edx
+<edx|studying>	also, for sleep, kernel.h must be included by tetris.c
+<edx|studying>	(or app.c)
+<Bagder>	well, there is no target version of sleep() yet
+<edx|studying>	there is.
+<edx|studying>	kernel.c i think
+<edx|studying>	i have seen it..
+<Bagder>	yes
+<Bagder>	but it doesn't work
+<adiamas>	Bagder in tetris.c could you tell me what 'frame' is with respect to block_data?
+<Bagder>	eeeh
+<Bagder>	I don't know really
+<adiamas>	k... ill figure it out one way or another..
+<edx|studying>	Bagder: how do yo uselect a menu entry? :)
+*	adiamas begins to think that the numbness in his left pinky and ring finger is _not_ a good thing
+<Bagder>	go right
+<Bagder>	but tetris is the only one you can select ;-)
+<edx|studying>	ok
+<edx|studying>	:)
+<edx|studying>	ill upload updated files that are compatible with win32 simulator.
+<edx|studying>	ok?
+<Bagder>	do that
+<Bagder>	I'll make sure the x11 runs fine with em
+<edx|studying>	yep
+<edx|studying>	go ahead ;)
+<adiamas>	edx.. do you understand the block struct?
+<Bagder>	done, and modified the app.c and tetris.c slightly
+<Bagder>	no more unistd.h :-)
+<edx|studying>	ok
+<edx|studying>	neither for linux nor for windows :)
+<edx|studying>	have you commited them yet?
+<Bagder>	yes
+<edx|studying>	ok
+<Bagder>	you can press 'off' to abort tetris now
+<Bagder>	(which is the numerical keypad enter in my case)
+<edx|studying>	yea - i use the same keycodes
+<edx|studying>	ok great :)
+<edx|studying>	the menu still moves a little fast :)
+<edx|studying>	(tetris too)
+<edx|studying>	how is it on linux?
+<Bagder>	that sleep is 1 second for mee
+<Bagder>	which makes everything a bit too slow ;-)
+<edx|studying>	oh lol
+<edx|studying>	sleep 1 is defined Sleep (1000/HZ * 1) for me
+<edx|studying>	which is 1/10 second ;)
+<Bagder>	heh
+<Bagder>	the target sleep() takes 'ticks' as argument and we don't know yet how fast that is
+<Bagder>	so I haven't bothered
+<edx|studying>	yea
+<edx|studying>	bjorn said it was deifined with HZ (but maybe that value is not accurate yet)
+<edx|studying>	its 1/100 second btw..
+<edx|studying>	not 1/10
+<adiamas>	edx... do you understand the block_data structure?
+<edx|studying>	no matter.. thats the least problem.
+<edx|studying>	adiamas: no i didnt really read the code
+<Bagder>	edx|studying: oh, right, haven't seen that
+<adiamas>	k...
+<edx|studying>	adi: wait a sec
+<edx|studying>	hmm strange...
+<edx|studying>	does it already contain rotoation... ?
+<edx|studying>	            lcd_drawpixel(start_x+x+block_data[block][frame][0][i],
+<edx|studying>	looking at that.. the first array parameter contains the block #..
+<edx|studying>	the second one the frame (?) - maybe rotation?
+<edx|studying>	the third parameter is either 0 or 1.. but i dont know why
+<adiamas>	nods
+<edx|studying>	nods?
+<Bagder>	"To lower and raise the head quickly, as in agreement or acknowledgment."
+<edx|studying>	ahh 
+*	edx|studying nods too
+<edx|studying>	was just irritated because you didnt write it as a /me msg ;)
+<edx|studying>	i guess the four integers are the directions.. (block_data is seperated into 4-int blocks)
+<adiamas>	i just don't see the blocks there...
+*	adiamas shrugs
+<edx|studying>	the first block is the square thingie..
+<edx|studying>	im playing around with it now
+<edx|studying>	aha.. uhm..
+<adiamas>	so: {{0,1,0,1},{0,0,1,1}} is a square?
+<edx|studying>	i got it!
+<adiamas>	k.. shoot
+<edx|studying>	*snip!*
+<edx|studying>	one block always consists of four pixels!
+<edx|studying>	{0,1,0,1},{0,0,1,1}
+<edx|studying>	coordinate of first pixel:
+<edx|studying>	(0,0)
+<edx|studying>	of second pixel: (1,0) ; of third pix (0,1) of fourth pixel (1,1)
+<edx|studying>	can you see how i do it
+<edx|studying>	nth pixel coord = (data[0][n],data[1][n])
+<adiamas>	ahhhh!!! got ya...
+<adiamas>	can you do me a favor.. write that in a comment above it?
+*	adiamas likes comments that make sense.
+<edx|studying>	heheh sure :)
+*	adiamas is toast...
+<adiamas>	is it:
+<adiamas>	x
+<adiamas>	|
+<adiamas>	|
+<adiamas>	----y
+<adiamas>	or is it 
+<adiamas>	y|
+<adiamas>	|
+<adiamas>	|
+<edx|studying>	sencond one
+<adiamas>	------x
+<adiamas>	?
+<adiamas>	nod
+<edx|studying>	//
+<edx|studying>	// block_data is built up the following way
+<edx|studying>	//
+<edx|studying>	// first array index specifies the block number
+<edx|studying>	// second array index specifies the rotation of the block
+<edx|studying>	// third array index specifies:
+<edx|studying>	//     0: x-coordinates of pixels
+<edx|studying>	//     1: y-coordinates of pixels
+<edx|studying>	// fourth array index specifies the coordinate of a pixel
+<edx|studying>	//
+<adiamas>	c comments mate ;)
+<edx|studying>	like that?
+<adiamas>	no c||
+*	edx|studying is not a very good formulator
+<adiamas>	c++ even
+<edx|studying>	ok
+<edx|studying>	/*
+<edx|studying>	 block_data is built up the following way
+<edx|studying>	 first array index specifies the block number
+<edx|studying>	 second array index specifies the rotation of the block
+<edx|studying>	 third array index specifies:
+<edx|studying>	     0: x-coordinates of pixels
+<edx|studying>	     1: y-coordinates of pixels
+<edx|studying>	 fourth array index specifies the coordinate of a pixel
+<edx|studying>	*/
+<edx|studying>	is that understandable... :/
+<adiamas>	looks fine to me
+-->	edx|disconnected (edx@pD4B9E91F.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #rockbox
+---	edx|disconnected is now known as edx
+<edx>	int block_data[7][4][2][4] =
+<edx>	{
+<edx>	    {
+<edx>	        {{0,1,0,1},{0,0,1,1}}
+<edx>	    },
+<edx>	is that translated to:
+<edx>	int block_data[7][4][2][4] =
+<edx>	{
+<edx>	    {
+<edx>	        {{0,1,0,1},{0,0,1,1}},
+<edx>	        {{0,1,0,1},{0,0,1,1}},
+<edx>	        {{0,1,0,1},{0,0,1,1}},
+<edx>	        {{0,1,0,1},{0,0,1,1}}
+<edx>	    },
+<edx>	?
+<edx>	because the block needs rotation
+<edx>	(but its the same in any direction)
+<adiamas>	i would assume so.
+*	edx commited tetris.c
+<adiamas>	yeah, seems every block pivits on (1,1)
+<adiamas>	or there in abouts
+---	ChanServ gives channel operator status to edx
+<--	edx has kicked edx|studying from #rockbox (Stupid irc corpse!)
+---	edx removes channel operator status from edx
+---	edx is now known as edx|studying
+-->	Zagor (~bjst@as9-5-6.k.s.bonet.se) has joined #rockbox
+<edx|studying>	hi :)
+<Zagor>	hi
+<Bagder>	edx|studying: that tetris.c in the win32 dir should be removed now shouldn't it?
+<edx|studying>	aehm - yea wait a sec
+<edx|studying>	ok it is
+<Bagder>	:-)
+<Zagor>	is there any way to make 'sed' not use / for its' regex?
+<Bagder>	yes
+*	edx|studying doesnt understand a word
+<Bagder>	Zagor: just use it after the s
+<Bagder>	sxmooxpoo
+<Zagor>	ok. strange that the man page doesn't say that
+<edx|studying>	what's 'sed'
+<Bagder>	one of those secret tricks ;-)
+<edx|studying>	heh give me the man page ;)
+<Bagder>	sed is a dead cool unix command line tool
+<edx|studying>	what does it do?
+<Bagder>	uh, replaces regexes in a stream ;-)
+<edx|studying>	what are regexes
+<edx|studying>	(sorry for asking so much)
+<Bagder>	regex is a pattern, similar to wildcard but a lot more advanced and powerful
+<edx|studying>	ah ok
+<edx|studying>	that is like *.[mp3|m3u] or something like that?
+<Bagder>	".*(mp3|m3u)$" would be good regex for that
+<edx|studying>	aha
+<edx|studying>	that $ indicates that the ( and ) do not belong to the name?
+<Bagder>	no, $ matches end of string
+<Bagder>	so that the mp3 or m3u must end it
+<edx|studying>	ahh
+<edx|studying>	ok - really advanced ;)
+<Bagder>	right, and this is only scratching on the surface
+<edx|studying>	hehe
+<edx|studying>	what does sxmooxpoo do?
+<edx|studying>	lol
+<Bagder>	it replaces all occurrances of 'moo' with 'poo' :-)
+<edx|studying>	so sed can also rename files?
+<Bagder>	no, it replaces text in a stream
+<Bagder>	cat file | sed -e s/replace/this > newfile
+<edx|studying>	ok
+<edx|studying>	couldnt one use it for filenames as well.. i have needed something like that a couple of times ;)
+<Bagder>	sure you can
+<Bagder>	in unix you just write up a quick script to do it
+<edx|studying>	hehe
+<PsycoXul>	its easier in bash than with sed unless you wanna do things that bash can't do 
+<PsycoXul>	heh
+*	Bagder jumps, PsycoXul is alive ;-)
+<PsycoXul>	like 'for f in *;do mv $f `echo $f | sed -e s/bleh/blah/g`;done' or 'for f in *;do mv $f ${f//bleh/blah};done'
+<PsycoXul>	heh
+<PsycoXul>	or whatever :p
+<PsycoXul>	Bagder: yeah
+<Zagor>	that's precisely what I was doing, only "bleh" contained a full path with / characters
+<Zagor>	dependency generation now fixed for 'firmware'
+*	edx|studying shakes awestruck
+*	adiamas cocks his head to the side and stares at edx
+<adiamas>	what awestrikes you?
+<edx|studying>	"like 'for f in *;do mv $f `echo $f | sed -e s/bleh/blah/g`;done' or 'for f in *;do mv $f ${f//bleh/blah};done'"
+<Bagder>	unix in a nutshell
+<Zagor>	actually, it's only: for d in $(DEPDIRS); do { if [ ! -d $$d ]; then mkdir $$d; fi; }; done
+<Zagor>	but then
+<edx|studying>	what the heck das that do?
+<Zagor>	$(CC) -MM $(CFLAGS) $< |sed '\''s|\($*\)\.o[ :]*|\1.o $(<:%.c=%.d) : |g'\'' > $@; [ -s $@ ] || rm -f $@
+*	Bagder falls off his chair laughing
+<Zagor>	it creates the directories listed in $(DEPDIRS) if they don't already exists
+*	edx|studying cries out despairing
+<edx|studying>	what does "fi;" do there?
+<Zagor>	it's the end of "if"
+<edx|studying>	ahh lol
+<adiamas>	think: if(true){  }
+<PsycoXul>	hmm
+<edx|studying>	what does the second thing do?
+<Zagor>	it runs the dependency generator, with, umm, correct parameters :)
+<PsycoXul>	heh
+<edx|studying>	hm.. aha
+*	adiamas thinks we need to get edx to dual boot his box ;)
+<Zagor>	yup
+<edx|studying>	i can use vmware ;)
+<edx|studying>	you guys know that, right?
+<edx|studying>	$< |sed '\''s|\($*\)\.o[ :]*|\1.o $(<:%.c=%.d) : |g'\'' > that inserts the return value of sed ??
+<adiamas>	edx trust me dude... once you get off windows, you don't go back...
+<edx|studying>	adi: i have tried that a lot of times - i always came back ;)
+<edx|studying>	i dont even have the latest linux installation file
+<edx|studying>	where do i get it :)
+<edx|studying>	can i d/l it somewhere?
+*	adiamas has always done his installs off cd, so i cant tell you.
+<PsycoXul>	heh
+<PsycoXul>	linux installation file?
+<edx|studying>	well .. the cd image or whatever
+<Zagor>	http://mirrors.sunsite.dk/debian-netinst-cd/
+<edx|studying>	you use debian?
+<PsycoXul>	Zagor: if it has / chars its easier with sed using like sed -e #eh/blah/bleh#eh/blah/blah#g
+<Zagor>	not for this machine, but for others
+<edx|studying>	"these images are intended for developers, administrators, and advanced users"  ** ohoh
+<Zagor>	PsycoXul: I know, i'm using | in this expression
+<PsycoXul>	with bash's substitution you have to use / chars for the sub so you have to escape any /'s within it
+<PsycoXul>	yeah, with sed you can use i think any char
+*	edx|studying loads the iso @ 40kb/sek
+<edx|studying>	why is it only 30 megs?
+<Zagor>	because it's a netinstall
+<PsycoXul>	because its net install
+<PsycoXul>	heh
+<edx|studying>	ok
+<edx|studying>	that wont work - i bet!
+<PsycoXul>	why not?
+<edx|studying>	it's linux - why would net install work on linux :P
+<Zagor>	it works fine, but maybe you're not ripe for debian yet :)
+<PsycoXul>	heh
+<edx|studying>	i will install with vmware - so it is no problem to remove it any time :P
+<PsycoXul>	forget vmware :p
+<PsycoXul>	you can't *really* use an os in vmware :p
+<edx|studying>	why noy
+<PsycoXul>	well
+<PsycoXul>	what're you gonna do with it?
+<edx|studying>	try the console commands you post lol
+<PsycoXul>	i mean its like making a system thats half of your real one but without direct hardware access 
+<edx|studying>	i use w2k on vmware too
+<PsycoXul>	what are you really running?
+<PsycoXul>	heh
+<edx|studying>	winxp ;)
+*	adiamas runs screaming into the night
+<edx|studying>	the most-bloaty-dummy-user-system there is haha
+<edx|studying>	but it's cool :)
+<PsycoXul>	heh
+<edx|studying>	this iso is a boot cd?
+<edx|studying>	or what does it do?
+<PsycoXul>	should be
+<edx|studying>	how many hd space do you recommend for a linux hd ?
+<Zagor>	all of it :)
+<edx|studying>	haha
+<edx|studying>	how much hd space do you have :)
+<Zagor>	80 gigs
+<Zagor>	but actually, I have a 4 gig win95 partition for playing games
+<edx|studying>	ok.. now i have 110 gigs.. then ill take 4 gigs for linux :P
+<Zagor>	hehe
+*	edx|studying booting vmware from debian image
+<edx|studying>	do i want to retain linux kernel 2.0 compability?
+<edx|studying>	:?
+<Bagder>	I doubt it
+<edx|studying>	ok
+<edx|studying>	"please choos the path inside the CD-ROM where the Debian Archive resides."
+<edx|studying>	anyone knows where that is?
+*	Bagder shakes his head
+<Zagor>	just press enter
+<edx|studying>	ok
+*	edx|studying is too stupid to just press enter
+<edx|studying>	heh.. it works so far..
+<edx|studying>	but wait till it comes to the internet update - i am sure it will mess up!!
+<edx|studying>	there it begins.. it cannot find teh basedbs.tgz :/
+*	adiamas heads off to bedd for a bit
+<Zagor>	well did it find a network interface? vmware is no standard pc
+<adiamas>	see you all in a while
+---	You are now known as adi|napping
+<edx|studying>	i am not that far yet
+<Bagder>	night adiamas
+<edx|studying>	Next: Install the base system
+<edx|studying>	night..
+<edx|studying>	*pressing enter*
+<edx|studying>	Please selecte the medium you will use to install blah..
+<edx|studying>	that is CDRom Drive, right?
+<Zagor>	network
+<edx|studying>	heh.. ok network is n/a
+<Zagor>	bah. told you vmware was no good
+<edx|studying>	i didnt configure drivers yet.. wait a sec
+<edx|studying>	bah.. it does not contain a device driver for my card
+<Zagor>	you're not having a card, you're having vmware
+<edx|studying>	i do have a card
+<Zagor>	it uses a special virtual network interface
+<edx|studying>	vmware makes it :o)
+<Zagor>	yes
+<edx|studying>	it would not support my adapter anyways
+<edx|studying>	it only has 2 dlink cards listed
+<Zagor>	which dlink do you have?
+<Zagor>	most dlinks are NE2000 compatible
+<edx|studying>	yea i was gonna try that
+<edx|studying>	D-Link DFE-530TX
+<edx|studying>	PCI NE2000 support
+<edx|studying>	that's ok?
+<Bagder>	"Cheap, drivers installed perfectly, Linux support. "
+<Bagder>	(googled quote)
+<Zagor>	sounds ok
+<edx|studying>	"installation failed"
+<edx|studying>	why cant it do like windows and determine drivers itself?
+<edx|studying>	:P
+*	Bagder smacks edx
+<Zagor>	it did for me. try native and you'll se
+<edx|studying>	never ever am i gonna try native unless i want to destroy my windows :P
+<Bagder>	the via-rhine driver it should be
+<Bagder>	http://www.dlink.co.uk/support/linux_supp.html
+<Zagor>	repartition the disk so you get a couple of gigs free, then there's no worry
+<edx|studying>	thanks bagder.. tulip aha
+<edx|studying>	wont work either
+<Bagder>	tulip?
+<Bagder>	via-rhine
+<edx|studying>	that is the driver name
+<edx|studying>	ooops!
+<edx|studying>	right, thanks
+<edx|studying>	fails anyways
+*	edx|studying does not know any command-line arguments
+<edx|studying>	for the network adapter
+<edx|studying>	what filesystem shall i install on the hd?
+<Zagor>	ext2
+<edx|studying>	k
+<edx|studying>	and a linux swap?
+<Zagor>	yes
+<edx|studying>	Extended = ext2?
+<Zagor>	yes
+<Bagder>	I'll run off and shop some food, back in an hour or so
+<edx|studying>	*all thse sunday-shopping people* - i wish that was possible in Germany
+<Zagor>	it's really strange that you can't buy stuff on weekends
+<edx|studying>	it is strange that you can ;)
+<edx|studying>	on saturdays we can till 1PM (on every fourth saturday till 4PM)
+<edx|studying>	but that is all
+<Zagor>	Are gas stations open?
+<edx|studying>	yea
+<edx|studying>	but they are expensive
+<Zagor>	of course, they have no competition
+<Zagor>	government mandated monopolies are usually quite expensive...
+<edx|studying>	debian is still checking for bad blocks on the hd.. ill see what i can do after that..
+<edx|studying>	yea
+<Zagor>	how big partition are you using?
+<edx|studying>	4GB and 300mB for swap
+<Zagor>	ok
+<edx|studying>	i guess the bigges problem is the vmware network adapter
+<Zagor>	it shouldn't take long, but i guess everything is a bit slower under vmware
+<edx|studying>	yea
+<edx|studying>	its 2/3 finished
+<edx|studying>	i'll try an ethernet driver maybe...
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+<edx|studying>	hi
+<calpefrosch>	hi
+<calpefrosch>	have to done something at the simulator ?
+<edx|studying>	Zagor: Note: If the virtual machine's Ethernet adapter has been enabled, the installation program will auto-detect and load the AMD PC/Net 32 driver
+<edx|studying>	yea
+<edx|studying>	but the file system thing is not working :/
+<edx|studying>	it gives me an error i just cant fix!
+<Zagor>	edx|studying: I added file.h and dir.h to firmware/common yesterday, so you know the API
+<Zagor>	we renamed unlink() to remove()
+<calpefrosch>	I will update the code tomorrow at work. I have no VC++ at home.
+<edx|studying>	oh.. I added that file to - but didnt commit
+<edx|studying>	ok
+<Zagor>	hehe
+<edx|studying>	At the "Network Configuration" screen, respond OK to use the default: Use bootp/dhcp. 
+<Zagor>	do you have a fixed ip or dhcp?
+<edx|studying>	in LAN i have dhcp
+<Zagor>	then use that
+<edx|studying>	well i am not that far yet
+<Zagor>	k
+<edx|studying>	AMD PC/Net 32 driver.. i hope that one exists
+<edx|studying>	(and works)
+<calpefrosch>	what do you use to organize the MP3 files ? I have about 10 GB.
+<edx|studying>	heh ntfs file system - nothing actually :)
+<Zagor>	directories :)
+<calpefrosch>	mhh, good idea. but how to search one song ?
+<calpefrosch>	I mean, on the archos...
+<Zagor>	oh
+<Zagor>	you need a good system...
+<Zagor>	in your head and in your archos :)
+<edx|studying>	genre/artist/album/name.mp3
+<calpefrosch>	hmm, I think I'm to lazy... ;-)
+<calpefrosch>	ok, I have to organzie some files, hehe
+<calpefrosch>	cu
+<edx|studying>	what is the device path of the cdr drive?
+<edx|studying>	cu
+---	calpefrosch is now known as calpefrosch|drea
+---	calpefrosch|drea is now known as calpefrosch|away
+<Zagor>	/dev/cdrom usually
+<edx|studying>	*hard reboot and redo it all*
+<Zagor>	hehe
+<edx|studying>	*keep pressing enter*
+<edx|studying>	*beeing further than before*
+<Zagor>	brb
+<edx|studying>	what file systems do i install to the kerbnel?
+*	Bagder crawls back into his chair
+<edx|studying>	hi
+<Bagder>	hey
+<edx|studying>	(that is re)
+<edx|studying>	no success installing debian :(
+<edx|studying>	it wont work with the network adapter
+<Bagder>	annoying
+<edx|studying>	really.
+<PsycoXul>	anybody ever seen these things? http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/computing/5a15.shtml
+<PsycoXul>	edx|studying: what network adapter
+<PsycoXul>	debian should have no problems with vmware's emulated nic
+<edx|studying>	PsycoXul: D-LINK 530X
+<Bagder>	weird gadget
+<edx|studying>	yea its the vmware bridged network adapter
+<edx|studying>	what does this soundbug do?
+<edx|studying>	play music aloud?
+<Bagder>	" A single Soundbug can generate sound levels of up to 75 dBm peak, easily loud enough for a group of people to enjoy music together, or listen to the sound output from a laptop presentation or a camcorder video. "
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+<Bagder>	hi alkorr
+<alkorr>	hi Bag'
+<alkorr>	hum... Bagd'
+<edx|studying>	hi alan.
+<edx|studying>	i made a makefile for uisw32
+<alkorr>	good
+<alkorr>	did you commit ?
+<edx|studying>	yea
+<Bagder>	it'll probably need adjusting though after yesterday night
+<edx|studying>	maybe..
+<edx|studying>	no actually not
+<edx|studying>	teh file.h inside the firmware dir needs tho
+<alkorr>	weird i didn't receive any new CVS commits in my emailbox...
+<edx|studying>	nobody does currently i think
+<Bagder>	the commits mails are absent right now
+<Bagder>	we've commited like crazy, but no mails...
+<alkorr>	but i did receive a test from Björn
+<alkorr>	edx: you should have a lookup in this page : http://www.gamedev.net/reference/articles/article1598.asp
+<edx|studying>	but writing in SDL is so much more work..
+<edx|studying>	SDL is a nice interface :) - but it is not thought for such use
+<alkorr>	i don't think so, there would be less code to write
+<edx|studying>	i dont think there would be less code to write.
+<edx|studying>	look at it now - its less than 100 lines win32 specific code
+<alkorr>	yes but the main goal is to have the same code for Linux and Windows, even people from MacOS and other unixes should be able to use the same code
+<alkorr>	anyway you are not interested by a SDL port ?
+<Bagder>	alkorr: if you make one, we'll surely be interested
+<alkorr>	Bagd': we will see
+<alkorr>	quite now i'm looking for simple examples
+<alkorr>	see you
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+<Bagder>	see ya tomorrow, gotta go now
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+<calpefrosch>	is there somewhere a file.c ?
+<edx|studying>	only for simulator.
+<edx|studying>	file-win32.c
+<edx|studying>	you dont really need it tho.
+<edx|studying>	al teh functions are native (stdio.h , io.h)
+<calpefrosch>	yes, but I have a book "C Programmierung lernen" in my hands.
+<edx|studying>	hehe
+<calpefrosch>	and wanted to know why there is a "extern" statement but no implementation
+<edx|studying>	well - the impelementation is missing.
+<calpefrosch>	please don't laugh ;-)
+<edx|studying>	no way.. :)
+<edx|studying>	the implementation is indeed missing for the firmware.. but not for the simulator
+<calpefrosch>	I'm coming from the pascal ( Turbo Pascal, Delphi ) edge
+<edx|studying>	i put an #ifndef SIMULATOR there
+<edx|studying>	yea i did that too once ;)
+<calpefrosch>	yeah, I saw that. so there are no firmware-file function?
+<calpefrosch>	and java
+<edx|studying>	i never did java - right, no firmware file functions
+<calpefrosch>	okay.
+<calpefrosch>	and the dir is also missing =
+<edx|studying>	yea
+<edx|studying>	even the predefinitions are missing
+<edx|studying>	my file.h contained them but Zagor commited faster then i did ;)
+<calpefrosch>	oh
+<calpefrosch>	can I talk to you tomorrow morning til 8 ?
+<edx|studying>	i gotta go to school at 7..
+<edx|studying>	i might not even be online before :/
+<calpefrosch>	hmm, okay. can you try to put some compiling/working code to the cvs ? 
+<calpefrosch>	so I can "play" around with it ?
+<edx|studying>	the code is working
+<edx|studying>	you resmove the file-win32.c from the project.
+<edx|studying>	the int works perfectly.
+<edx|studying>	*int = it
+<calpefrosch>	tnx, are you working on the file-win32.c ?
+<edx|studying>	currently not...
+<edx|studying>	i cannot spot the mistake *shame on me*
+<calpefrosch>	he, you are 15 (right?) and a good programmer. do you want to do this as a job in future =
+<calpefrosch>	?
+<edx|studying>	sure.. :)
+<calpefrosch>	cool
+<calpefrosch>	I love this job. sometimes I cannot sleep because I'm thinking about a problem. 
+<edx|studying>	hehe i have had this since I was 10 :)
+<calpefrosch>	And if I get the clue, I cannot wait to get to job. I really love it.
+<edx|studying>	yea
+<edx|studying>	it is amazing - sometimes I get up at 5 AM just to try something :)
+<calpefrosch>	yeah. Everybody calls me a "hacker", only because I'm not such a clean Projectmanager. 
+<calpefrosch>	like some others.
+<calpefrosch>	hehe, there are many really bad coders in the company.
+<edx|studying>	hehe
+<calpefrosch>	I'm just lokking at your file-win32.c
+<edx|studying>	hm the c file is rather uninteresting
+<edx|studying>	the file-win32.h causes the problem
+<calpefrosch>	ah
+<edx|studying>	typedef _finddata_t DIR;
+<edx|studying>	it wont recognize _finddata_t though it is definded or something - I really have no clue.
+<calpefrosch>	what means the _ before the name ?
+<edx|studying>	it is just definde that way. in io.h
+<edx|studying>	its not defined by me or anyone of this project. it is a standard type
+<calpefrosch>	yes, I see. and what means the typedef ?
+<calpefrosch>	if it's already defined ?
+<calpefrosch>	I found an example in the www: struct _finddata_t FFBLK1; 
+<edx|studying>	ahhhhhhhhhhhhh!
+<edx|studying>	THANKS
+<edx|studying>	i guess you fixed it..
+<edx|studying>	*wait a sec*
+<calpefrosch>	* rejoice *
+<calpefrosch>	look at this: http://www.dma.org/~deand/potm.html
+<calpefrosch>	sorry, my girlfried yells. ;-)
+<edx|studying>	hehe
+<calpefrosch>	I have to go. good luck. I try some things tomorrow. l8r
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+<edx|studying>	yeah! i got it
+<edx|studying>	thanks calpefrosch :)
+<edx|studying>	ill udate cvs now
+<edx|studying>	Zagor, are you there?
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+---	edx|away is now known as edx
+<edx>	are you there now, Zag?
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+<edx>	hi
+<Linus>	Hi
+<coyote->	humdidum
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+<calpefrosch>	hey
+<edx>	hi
+<edx>	jeez thanks heaps!
+<edx>	i fixed it ;)
+<calpefrosch>	cool
+<edx>	didnt commit yet... wait a sec.
+<calpefrosch>	I just install VC .NET and test the sim
+<edx>	ah.. well it is useless anyways - the functions need to be defined in file.h and i was gonna ask zagor whether i may do that.. hes not in right now
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+<calpefrosch>	sorry, the setup has done a reset
+<calpefrosch>	without asking me :-(
+<calpefrosch>	edx, ru there?
+<edx>	yea
+<calpefrosch>	hey, this damned .NET Setup is not working
+<calpefrosch>	I can't install VC++
+<calpefrosch>	do you have the beta, or the origin version
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+<calpefrosch>	edx: have you commited the file-win32.* ???
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+<edx>	hmmmm
+<edx>	i have the original version - beta worked for me too
+<edx>	but i have heard from other ppl that beta did not work for them
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+<calpefrosch>	hmm, do you commit ?
+<edx>	..
+<calpefrosch>	your work ?
+<edx>	committed the two files..
+<calpefrosch>	tnx
+<edx>	but they dont work and are unneeded yet. - at least they compile
+<calpefrosch>	why don't they work ?
+<edx>	uhm i dont know
+<edx>	couldt really test them
+<edx>	i dont know what those functions do in linux
+<calpefrosch>	so you want to write function for directory-access ?
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+<edx>	they will be needed at some point of time
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+---	edx|away is now known as edx
+<edx>	hi Zagor..
+<Zagor>	hi
+<edx>	i have a question
+<Zagor>	ok
+<edx>	reagrding the directory functions:
+<edx>	where do i put declaration of the functions?
+<edx>	also file.h
+<Zagor>	they're already in dir.h
+<edx>	ah ok!
+<edx>	i know what was wrong with the dir definition :)
+<Zagor>	:)
+<edx>	typedef struct _findfata_t DIR;
+<edx>	***struct***
+<Zagor>	ah
+<edx>	another thing.. what parts of the dirent struct will be used?
+<edx>	i saw it contains an offset to the next dirent entry (??)
+<Zagor>	no, it contains the name
+<edx>	and a few other thigns.
+<Zagor>	it will also contain an attribyte
+<Zagor>	attribute
+<Zagor>	and a file size
+<Zagor>	that's about all it will contain
+<edx>	struct direnttag
+<edx>	{
+<edx>	    long            d_ino; /* inode number */
+<edx>	    long            d_off; /* offset to the next dirent */
+<edx>	    unsigned short  d_reclen;/* length of this record */
+<edx>	    unsigned char   d_type; /* type of file */
+<edx>	    char            d_name[256]; /* filename */
+<edx>	};
+<Zagor>	don't look at that
+<Zagor>	look at dir.h
+<edx>	aha
+<edx>	wait a sec
+<edx>	oh..
+<edx>	good.. well may I put a define in there
+<edx>	the DIR thing has to be different for the simulator?
+<Zagor>	why?
+<Zagor>	oh, ok
+<edx>	what does the offset thing in the dir do?
+<edx>	array index?
+<Zagor>	it's implementation specific
+<edx>	but i do not have to keep it for my implementation, do i?
+<Zagor>	no you can #ifdef your own implementation
+<edx>	i will do that in a separet header file..
+<edx>	dir-win32.h
+<Zagor>	ok, if you want
+<edx>	then.. i need to update file.h
+<Zagor>	ok, with what?
+<edx>	because if you compile with the simulator, you do not need to define open close etc.. (also not with linux, right)?
+<Zagor>	right
+<edx>	then.. the compiler gives me an error with your current dirent definition...
+<Zagor>	of course. it's the definition for the firmware, not the simulator
+<edx>	is that ok:
+<edx>	typedef struct {
+<edx>	    int d_name[256];
+<edx>	} dirent;
+<edx>	the simulator does not have to change the dirent definition after all.
+<edx>	(at least in windows)
+<edx>	dirent *readdir (DIR *dir); <---  this will give an error otherwise (if i dont take the typedef above)
+<Zagor>	so what is the problem?
+<edx>	i need to replace you definition of dirent with mine ;)
+<Zagor>	fine, go ahead
+<Zagor>	use a file-win32.h
+<edx>	extern struct dirent* readdir(DIR* dir); then you could replce this with:
+<edx>	extern dirent *readdir (DIR *dir);
+<edx>	or is the struct thing somehow important?
+<Zagor>	yes, the API is important
+<Zagor>	it must stay the same
+<edx>	the struct must remain there?
+<Zagor>	it's a struct called dirent. it's not a type called dirent
+<edx>	tehn ill apply it to my functions as well and it wont matter.
+<Zagor>	good
+<Zagor>	the struct contents can change, but the function definitions must be exact
+<edx>	ok.
+<edx>	done.
+<edx>	ill commit what i changed
+<edx>	done.
+<Zagor>	don't use _WIN32. use WIN32
+<edx>	hmm grummel..
+<Zagor>	umm you smashed my last commit...
+<edx>	hm not really.
+<Zagor>	no, sorry.
+<edx>	i updated before i commited
+<Zagor>	i saw wrong :)
+<edx>	heh :)
+<edx>	ok.. WIN32 instead of _WIN32
+<edx>	commited.
+<edx>	how can i receive mails for cvs updates?
+<edx>	is there a cvs-update-mailing list lol
+<Zagor>	yes there is
+<Zagor>	rockbox-cvs@cool.haxx.se
+<edx>	how can I sign up for that?
+<Zagor>	send a mail to majordomo@cool.haxx.se with the text (no subject): subscribe rockbox-cvs
+<edx>	thanks.
+<Zagor>	right now there's a problem with the cvs mails but I hope it will be worked out soon
+<edx>	yea i know of the problem.
+<edx>	hey.. other people can unsubscribe me ;)
+<edx>	if the know my e-mail adress
+<Zagor>	yup
+<Zagor>	I have to approve all requests for mail addresses which differ from the one you send from
+<edx>	ok then.. i gotta go (school tomorrow again *crying out loudly*)
+<edx>	cya
+<Zagor>	bye
+*	edx is looking forward to the rockbox shirt he gets tomorrow
+<edx>	oh - abunsh of cvs notices just arrived ;)
+<Zagor>	really?
+<edx>	like 10
+<Zagor>	nice
+<edx>	they append the complete files. that is cool.
+<Zagor>	ah, now I got them too
+<Zagor>	they append the diffs
+<edx>	LOOL even more 
+<edx>	they are not the latest commits though
+<Zagor>	no but I guess their mail server is a bit busy at the moment...
+<edx>	hehe
+<edx>	well.. good night then - cu tomorrow (ill send you a picture of me wearing the shirt then)
+<Zagor>	hehe. good night
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